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Elderly alcoholic parent and the madness that just never ends.

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Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:22

Apologies, this may be long!

My Dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. I am 55 now, he is 82.

He was high functioning when he was working, as in he managed to get up early and hold down a job, however, mine and my brothers home life was a car wreck, as he drank to excess almost daily and was extremely angry and shouty all of the time. Several threats of violence against us and our Mum, that were never carried through, but doors, ornaments, glasses etc, would bear the brunt instead, often getting smashed up or thrown across rooms. This was my childhood as I remember it.

Family parties almost always ended up in one drunken disaster or another, and he completely ruined my engagement party by getting hammered and screaming in front of guests. This carried on through our childhood and in to our adulthood - most family get togethers have ended up the same shit show over the years.

He definitely has a good side - can be funny when sober and is very generous, and I know he does love his 3 children. He has had some awful trauma in life, which may explain his behaviour. I don't know.

Anyway, for the past 20 or so years, he has been retired, and whilst he has mellowed a lot, the drinking has escalated, I guess because there is no job to hold down. As the years have gone on, the angry arguments at family events has been replaced with drinking so excessively that he falls asleep at about 9pm and misses the whole evening. It doesn't matter where you are - he will just slump asleep in a restaurant or bar - anywhere. Which is embarrassing, as he looks as if he has died at the table.

Or, if we are at a house, he will say he's going for a nap at 8pm, and then he will reappear at midnight when most people are going to bed. He will then sit alone and drink until 4am.

It was evident in recent years, that the time on the clock means nothing. He could start drinking at 2pm, fall asleep for a nap, wake up at 7pm for dinner, nap again until 10pm, then start drinking again and carry on drinking until 4am. My Mum seemed to join him in this cycle, but she was not drinking as much as him. In latter years if I stayed with them, they would often nap after dinner, start drinking at 11pm, still be drinking at 5am, and then the drunken arguments would start (which I was meant to referee).

Mum died 5 years ago, and it became obvious that Dad didn't know how to run his own life without her. She did everything. He didn't know who the cars were insured with, who the house was insured with, where the savings were, how to pay any bills - he had been living like a child without any responsibility whatsoever for a few decades it would seem.

This meant that the whole of Dad's life fell in to mine and my brothers hands to manage. He literally exists and drinks, whilst we facilitate his life. This could be anything from insuring his house & car, to ordering a food shop weekly, to arranging his cleaner, managing his bank account, basically everything it takes to care for one whole other person.

He seems to forget that me and my brother work full time, and calls us both, up to 5 times a day for a video chat. The conversation will often start with him asking "How are you?" as if we haven't spoken for a week, when in reality it is probably an hour since we spoke.

In recent weeks, he started behaving strangely, and long story short was admitted to hospital with an array of very serious things wrong with him. I honestly thought it was the end.

After many weeks however, he has been sent home. My brother and I have had to make several adjustments at his house to facilitate him coming home, such as new furniture, zimmer frames, various other equipment & he has carers coming in to help.

He has now had an epiphany, that after 50 years on the bottle, he is going to quit - and he grows stronger by the day.

I know I should be elated, and mostly I am, but I also feel.....so very, very tired, as it feels as though the merry-go-round is starting up again.

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

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NotMyDayJob · 11/04/2023 12:43

You absolutely have to go. Who is more important? Your father or your child? Sit down and seriously think about your priorities and your boundaries

Xiaoxiong · 11/04/2023 12:43

I would go, and also say to your brother that you don't expect him to visit every day or even at all if he doesn't want to.

If he dies while you are in Singapore you should feel not an iota of guilt. The trauma this man has put you and your brother through is immense. I hope you and your brother have a good relationship, don't let him wreck that too.

Climbingthelaundrymountain · 11/04/2023 12:47

My dad was much younger but he went through those cycles of hospital stays where he would literally lose his mind due to infections or withdrawal or medications. He would recover, come home, maybe go to rehab and then start drinking again.

We all rallied round to help, making adaptations for him, accompanying him to appointments. I had 3 little children at the time, brother was living far away. But eventually the addiction did take his life aged 57. He was actually such a lovely man, never angry or argumentative. Such a loving dad too. But alcohol had a hold over him.

I really hope your dad does turn his life around and get sober and enjoy his time with your family for the rest of his years. But unfortunately my experience with an alcoholic parent was not positive.

CreationNat1on · 11/04/2023 12:47

Take the trip.

Buy this book : alcoholics anonymous for friends and families of alcoholics. It will help you understand the family dynamics of the alcoholic family. It's not just the alcoholic that is sick, it's the entire family.

Consider a nursing home stay for respite while you are in Singapore.

I m sorry your father is committing slow suicide via alcoholism. It's an illness, you need extra supports, you are not his full time care person. If he can't function in life, he needs to have proper supports such as nursing home care.

MiniCooperLover · 11/04/2023 12:49

Do not cancel your trip!

BlueHotel · 11/04/2023 12:49

I will add my voice to the pp's who have said you should go on your trip. Google FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) - this is what's trapping you in a relationship where you continually put his needs before your own, a perpetuation of what happened in your childhood. It sounds as if everybody in the family has been enabling his behaviour for decades.

One pp mentioned Korsakoff's syndrome, which is alcohol-related dementia, I think this is worth exploring.

You didn't cause it, you can't control it and you can't cure it. This is what Al Anon says. Would your brother go with you to a meeting?

You can and should be talking to people IRL - it's not your shame.

I wish you well. I know it's not easy.

stayathomegardener · 11/04/2023 14:02

Go and beg your brother not to step up for you.

This is the time to both reclaim your lives and allow a package of care to be put in place.

I'm 10 months down from a physical caring breakdown and still so unwell.

lemonchiffonpie · 11/04/2023 14:40

Oh, god. Please go on your trip.

You need respite to renew your energies for the next onslaught, and you need time for yourself and your family far away from him and his problems.

FadedRed · 11/04/2023 15:02

Absolutely agree with pop’s that you must not cancel your trip, or feel any guilt about being away, no matter what happens. Also that your brother should not attempt to ‘fill-in’ during your absence.
That you and your brother still have anything to do with your father is commendable, given the childhood he has spoiled, but don’t let your children suffer similar due to your father’s actions impacting on your life.

gogohmm · 11/04/2023 15:05

Go, you need to put the next generations needs above your father

Summerslimtime · 11/04/2023 15:14

Take the trip. Think of your son.

Ponderingwindow · 11/04/2023 15:20

I have a very similar life story.

we did not step in and rescue him when our mother died. We left him to deal with it himself. Honestly, we figured he would either figure it out or be dead in 6 months. He worked it out and even found himself a girlfriend. He is still an alcoholic despite brief periods of sobriety.

it isn’t healthy to tie yourself to an alcoholic parent like this. You need to go live your life.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 11/04/2023 15:26

Go. If he's in hospital, there's less for your DB to do anyhow. And if he isn't, well, it'll be the same as before he was admitted and you'd booked your holiday.

It is absolutely not your problem - enjoy your trip, enjoy seeing your DS and don't worry (as much as you can) - anything that happens would happen whether or not you were there.

Iizzyb · 11/04/2023 15:35

Absolutely go on your amazing trip. I had a similar dilemma several years ago. I almost didn't go, my dm and others reminded me df wouldn't have stayed for me. We didn't think he would still be here when I got back (or at least a good chance he wouldn't be). I had the trip of a lifetime. Df died shortly after I returned. It was tough but it would've been tough anyway.

Please go and enjoy the precious time with your ds xx life is literally too short to miss out on things like this x

Chessetchelsea · 11/04/2023 15:35

Also child of an alcoholic. Go and stop feeling guilty. You sound consumed by FOG.

Violetparis · 11/04/2023 15:38

You sound incredibly kind and patient OP as does your brother. You deserve this trip to see your son. Your father has put himself first all of his life so it's now your turn to put you and your son first.

strawberry2017 · 11/04/2023 15:45

You take the trip. He's an adult and he can sort his own shit out and if he can't that's on him not you!

Ponderingwindow · 11/04/2023 15:46

Growing up with an abusive alcoholic makes you learn to be responsible for other people on all levels. You feel like you are responsible for their safety, their choices, and their feelings.

the worst of the things my father did are nothing compared to that engrained behavior pattern that he built in me. It is extremely hard to fight, but you have to fight it. Many of us repeat that pattern with other people in our lives and it isn’t a good thing.

even asking your brother to do more while you travel is a mistake. You don’t have to abandon your father, but you can let the doctors, nurses, and even social workers do their jobs.

Tiredofthemadness · 11/04/2023 15:47

I feel that I should add, that for the last 10 years or so, he has been a completely different person, in so much as the temper has completely dissipated. He has been a good Dad and Grandad. We speak most days and our relationship is good.

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Tiredofthemadness · 11/04/2023 15:51

But he would not be able to navigate life very well, if it wasn't for us doing things for him. He doesn't read his mail or do any life admin, and he genuinely wouldn't know how. He has forgotten how to e-mail and text. That kind of thing. I know people are saying just let him get on with it, but that would feel cruel and uneccesary.

OP posts:
Tiredofthemadness · 11/04/2023 15:52

He seems to not have a grasp on how the world actually works anymore. But to be fair, I can imagine how that happens, what with technology moving so fast.

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BigSandyBalls2015 · 11/04/2023 15:53

Def go on the trip, you need to put your son before your dad.

if anything it’s probably reassuring to think he’s in hospital whilst you travel and being looked after.

Itslookinggood · 11/04/2023 16:00

Don’t let your son down to enable your alcoholic dad. You will upset your son and just continue the enabling pattern with your dad.

if you don’t go, you will have regrets. And regrets are awful.

13Bastards · 11/04/2023 16:09

Don't cancel your trip OP.

Freshlycutgrasss · 11/04/2023 16:13

Please go & see your son. You & he shouldn't miss out due to your dad's choice to drink.

He's safe in hospital & and you deserve your holiday.