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Elderly alcoholic parent and the madness that just never ends.

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Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:22

Apologies, this may be long!

My Dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. I am 55 now, he is 82.

He was high functioning when he was working, as in he managed to get up early and hold down a job, however, mine and my brothers home life was a car wreck, as he drank to excess almost daily and was extremely angry and shouty all of the time. Several threats of violence against us and our Mum, that were never carried through, but doors, ornaments, glasses etc, would bear the brunt instead, often getting smashed up or thrown across rooms. This was my childhood as I remember it.

Family parties almost always ended up in one drunken disaster or another, and he completely ruined my engagement party by getting hammered and screaming in front of guests. This carried on through our childhood and in to our adulthood - most family get togethers have ended up the same shit show over the years.

He definitely has a good side - can be funny when sober and is very generous, and I know he does love his 3 children. He has had some awful trauma in life, which may explain his behaviour. I don't know.

Anyway, for the past 20 or so years, he has been retired, and whilst he has mellowed a lot, the drinking has escalated, I guess because there is no job to hold down. As the years have gone on, the angry arguments at family events has been replaced with drinking so excessively that he falls asleep at about 9pm and misses the whole evening. It doesn't matter where you are - he will just slump asleep in a restaurant or bar - anywhere. Which is embarrassing, as he looks as if he has died at the table.

Or, if we are at a house, he will say he's going for a nap at 8pm, and then he will reappear at midnight when most people are going to bed. He will then sit alone and drink until 4am.

It was evident in recent years, that the time on the clock means nothing. He could start drinking at 2pm, fall asleep for a nap, wake up at 7pm for dinner, nap again until 10pm, then start drinking again and carry on drinking until 4am. My Mum seemed to join him in this cycle, but she was not drinking as much as him. In latter years if I stayed with them, they would often nap after dinner, start drinking at 11pm, still be drinking at 5am, and then the drunken arguments would start (which I was meant to referee).

Mum died 5 years ago, and it became obvious that Dad didn't know how to run his own life without her. She did everything. He didn't know who the cars were insured with, who the house was insured with, where the savings were, how to pay any bills - he had been living like a child without any responsibility whatsoever for a few decades it would seem.

This meant that the whole of Dad's life fell in to mine and my brothers hands to manage. He literally exists and drinks, whilst we facilitate his life. This could be anything from insuring his house & car, to ordering a food shop weekly, to arranging his cleaner, managing his bank account, basically everything it takes to care for one whole other person.

He seems to forget that me and my brother work full time, and calls us both, up to 5 times a day for a video chat. The conversation will often start with him asking "How are you?" as if we haven't spoken for a week, when in reality it is probably an hour since we spoke.

In recent weeks, he started behaving strangely, and long story short was admitted to hospital with an array of very serious things wrong with him. I honestly thought it was the end.

After many weeks however, he has been sent home. My brother and I have had to make several adjustments at his house to facilitate him coming home, such as new furniture, zimmer frames, various other equipment & he has carers coming in to help.

He has now had an epiphany, that after 50 years on the bottle, he is going to quit - and he grows stronger by the day.

I know I should be elated, and mostly I am, but I also feel.....so very, very tired, as it feels as though the merry-go-round is starting up again.

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

OP posts:
GenderCriticalTrumpets · 09/08/2022 07:22

warmsuncoldwind · 01/07/2022 18:41

My dad died before I had to arrive to your situation, and I was relieved. It’s shameful to say but I was relieved that my dad was dead so I wouldn’t have to continue supporting him through his alcoholism. Stand up for yourself and leave him to himself if you can’t deal with this. You are not a bad person for it, you need to take care of yourself first now.

This, exactly. My alcoholic Dad died at 54 after complications from cancer and although it devastated me I would be 100% in OPs shoes now as my Dad ruined every single relationship he had. I'm only now starting to rebuild my relationships with his family.

Sending love, OP. I am in counselling now to try to help the scared little girl my Dad's illness created.

NotMyDayJob · 09/08/2022 07:34

My thoughts are, why on earth are you buying him alcohol?

littlemiss93 · 09/08/2022 07:50

Been there with my own mother, never spoken about it in real life. So much resonates with my own story, but the memories of playing outside with friend too frightened to go home for fear of what I might find will never leave me. My mother would get so intoxicated that standing up to go to the toilet didn't happen, if it did she'd likely hit the wall at great speed smash her face then piss herself. Not a nice memory to have.. I'd open the front door to find blood everywhere and have to get her up to bed changed and put to sleep! I know that merry go round, sadly it doesn't end until they kill themselves with alcohol. Try to find some support for yourself, these awful memories don't go away. Your dad is going to use you and your brother to enable him without giving zero f*cks as long as it takes. At his age a reformed man is very much a miracle and unlikely to happen. Sending hugs 🤗

Pinksmyfavoritecolour · 09/08/2022 08:08

There’s alanon meetings all over the country/world also now some on zoom, for friends and family of alcoholics, you might find it helpful to be in a room with people who get it, it certainly has benefitted me

Tredofthemadness · 09/08/2022 09:13

@userxx I think he will start asking for gin and tonic next. Just a hunch. Because, you know, G&T is a summery drink (forgetting it's as strong as whisky).

@Mememene He is selling the car. The one thing he never does is drink and drive. He used to in the 70's & 80's, but just relies on lifts from other people now (with no care as to whether his nominated driver may have wanted a drink!)

@BigSandyBalls2015 If I refused to get wine on the shop, there would be big arguments, and yes, he would drive to the supermarket, I think.

Tredofthemadness · 09/08/2022 09:16

@NotMyDayJob If I refused to put alcohol on his shop, he would drive to the shops to get it. He won't drink and drive, however, his driving leaves ALOT to be desired these days.

@GenderCriticalTrumpets That sounds very hard, I'm sorry.

@littlemiss93 You have had it way worse than me, I'm so sorry!

@Pinksmyfavoritecolour thanks for the suggestion, but I really don't feel that I need this, it's water of a ducks back at this point, ha ha.

Pinksmyfavoritecolour · 09/08/2022 09:24

Just make sure amongst the chaos of it all, you take a little time for yourself, do things for you that makes you smile, even if it’s just half hour a day x

Tiredofthemadness · 11/04/2023 12:01

Update : Unfortunately things slid back to previous drinking levels. He stayed tee-total for a few weeks, maybe even a month, but then started drinking again. I think he started on beer, but then it transitioned to stronger things and then finally back to the hard stuff.

He took a very funny turn yesterday, and has been admitted to hospital. To be fair, I'm not sure whether it's alcohol related or he would have got ill anyway.

The last time he was in hospital, it was for about a month.

Here is my dilemma - we are due to go away on the 19th April to Singapore, to see our son, who moved there 1.5 years ago (and we haven't seen him in all that time). If we cancel the trip we will not get any money back on the insurance, I don't think. What the hell do we do? Would you still travel?

My brother is able to visit most days, but would I be terrible to still take this trip? It has been planned for several months, son has taken time off work, we have a whole itinerary of stuff to do.

OP posts:
MsDemeanors · 11/04/2023 12:08

Don't cancel your trip! Go without guilt. You cannot assume complete responsibility for the actions of your alcoholic father. And your first duty of care is to YOUR kids. You have coped incredibly well but you must have boundaries in place for your own family and your own emotional, mental and physical well being. Enjoy your time with your son (18months without seeing him must feel like an eternity!) What will be will be with your father. It is not your fault.

SomeRolyPolyLittleBatFacedGirl · 11/04/2023 12:08

I'd go.

Talking as the child of an alcoholic, at some point you have to put yourself first. And your own child. Your dad's in hospital, and as you say he's likely to be in for a while. It's probably better he's in there while you're away than at home. And pragmatically, if he takes a turn when you are away then that's more likely to be covered by your travel insurance than you just not going now.

MsDemeanors · 11/04/2023 12:09

PS Sending support your way from someone who knows this situation all too well. X

MsDemeanors · 11/04/2023 12:10

Pps that should have read "you cannot assume any responsibility"!

Hoppinggreen · 11/04/2023 12:13

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:42

@JuneOsborne I don't feel like we have any choice really. He would not be able to function without our help. He has no memory of the abuse in our childhood. I brought it up once, and both parents denied it all. If I didn't have my brother (who remembers it the same as me), I would think I had gone mad.

It doesn’t actually matter if he remembers it (or pretends not to). It happened and you have every right to treat him accordingly

countrygirl99 · 11/04/2023 12:13

Go. We were in a similar quandary last summer - without the alcohol issue, but a covid delayed trip of a lifetime to celebrate our 40th anniversary. We went.

Hoppinggreen · 11/04/2023 12:13

Tiredofthemadness · 11/04/2023 12:01

Update : Unfortunately things slid back to previous drinking levels. He stayed tee-total for a few weeks, maybe even a month, but then started drinking again. I think he started on beer, but then it transitioned to stronger things and then finally back to the hard stuff.

He took a very funny turn yesterday, and has been admitted to hospital. To be fair, I'm not sure whether it's alcohol related or he would have got ill anyway.

The last time he was in hospital, it was for about a month.

Here is my dilemma - we are due to go away on the 19th April to Singapore, to see our son, who moved there 1.5 years ago (and we haven't seen him in all that time). If we cancel the trip we will not get any money back on the insurance, I don't think. What the hell do we do? Would you still travel?

My brother is able to visit most days, but would I be terrible to still take this trip? It has been planned for several months, son has taken time off work, we have a whole itinerary of stuff to do.

Absolutely go

Babyroobs · 11/04/2023 12:16

If he is a heavy drinker, he should not just quit suddenly as this can be dangerous. He needs to speak to his Dr.

marmite2023 · 11/04/2023 12:17

Just go. You need to live your life and stop being beholden to your immature father. Your primary family is your DH and child/ren. You shouldn’t cancel on your son for your father. Have an honest conversation with your sibling so they don’t feel overburdened emotionally or practically. He’s in the hospital - he’s safe.

RandomMess · 11/04/2023 12:23

Absolutely go!!

Blossomtoes · 11/04/2023 12:25

You should go. And not feel remotely guilty about it or anything that might occur while you’re away.

ChaToilLeam · 11/04/2023 12:30

Go! Don’t put your life on hold for your father. Not after all that has happened.

Alfiemoon1 · 11/04/2023 12:31

Absolutely go on your trip

Hoplite · 11/04/2023 12:35

Definitely go on your trip.

I know it's expensive, but I think you do need to look at getting him into residential care. It will be a massive load off your mind and mean you're not worrying about falls as much and he will have far more limited scope for doing anything stupid. The Elderly Parents board on here might be helpful to you for more detailed advice.

HaggisBurger · 11/04/2023 12:37

@Tiredofthemadness you really really HAVE to go.

I identify so much with your story. My father is was an alcoholic who’s actually been on the wagon for many years before relapsing 10 years prior to his death.

I had periods where I was NC/LC with him but in his last years I did basically have to step in and keep him alive (albeit remotely as we lived a short flight away).

But I did keep some boundaries with it. And one I them was not changing my own plans and prioritising him over my kids.

Please bear in mind that although alcoholism is an illness - he has throughout his whole adult life prioritised alcohol over you and your brother. It’s easy to profess “love” for someone without actually doing the hard things for that love.

You’ve both done way more for him than most kids with a similar childhood/ parents would have.

Many adult children of alcoholics become codependent and set aside their own needs as deep down we are so desperate for that parental love & approval.

Please please go.

BritInAus · 11/04/2023 12:42

I'm going to speak very bluntly OP. I get it, I really do. I spent 11 years with an alcoholic who died of liver failure at 40 entirely due to alcoholism.

your dad doesn't give a shiny shit about anyone or anything apart from alcohol.

please please please go on your holiday and spend some time thinking about what you can do to provide distance, I understand you may not want to go non contact, but lower contact would be healthy.

DPotter · 11/04/2023 12:42

Absolutely go.

Enjoy the time with your son in Singapore.

I can recommend the Long Bar in Raffles Hotel!

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