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Elderly alcoholic parent and the madness that just never ends.

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Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:22

Apologies, this may be long!

My Dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. I am 55 now, he is 82.

He was high functioning when he was working, as in he managed to get up early and hold down a job, however, mine and my brothers home life was a car wreck, as he drank to excess almost daily and was extremely angry and shouty all of the time. Several threats of violence against us and our Mum, that were never carried through, but doors, ornaments, glasses etc, would bear the brunt instead, often getting smashed up or thrown across rooms. This was my childhood as I remember it.

Family parties almost always ended up in one drunken disaster or another, and he completely ruined my engagement party by getting hammered and screaming in front of guests. This carried on through our childhood and in to our adulthood - most family get togethers have ended up the same shit show over the years.

He definitely has a good side - can be funny when sober and is very generous, and I know he does love his 3 children. He has had some awful trauma in life, which may explain his behaviour. I don't know.

Anyway, for the past 20 or so years, he has been retired, and whilst he has mellowed a lot, the drinking has escalated, I guess because there is no job to hold down. As the years have gone on, the angry arguments at family events has been replaced with drinking so excessively that he falls asleep at about 9pm and misses the whole evening. It doesn't matter where you are - he will just slump asleep in a restaurant or bar - anywhere. Which is embarrassing, as he looks as if he has died at the table.

Or, if we are at a house, he will say he's going for a nap at 8pm, and then he will reappear at midnight when most people are going to bed. He will then sit alone and drink until 4am.

It was evident in recent years, that the time on the clock means nothing. He could start drinking at 2pm, fall asleep for a nap, wake up at 7pm for dinner, nap again until 10pm, then start drinking again and carry on drinking until 4am. My Mum seemed to join him in this cycle, but she was not drinking as much as him. In latter years if I stayed with them, they would often nap after dinner, start drinking at 11pm, still be drinking at 5am, and then the drunken arguments would start (which I was meant to referee).

Mum died 5 years ago, and it became obvious that Dad didn't know how to run his own life without her. She did everything. He didn't know who the cars were insured with, who the house was insured with, where the savings were, how to pay any bills - he had been living like a child without any responsibility whatsoever for a few decades it would seem.

This meant that the whole of Dad's life fell in to mine and my brothers hands to manage. He literally exists and drinks, whilst we facilitate his life. This could be anything from insuring his house & car, to ordering a food shop weekly, to arranging his cleaner, managing his bank account, basically everything it takes to care for one whole other person.

He seems to forget that me and my brother work full time, and calls us both, up to 5 times a day for a video chat. The conversation will often start with him asking "How are you?" as if we haven't spoken for a week, when in reality it is probably an hour since we spoke.

In recent weeks, he started behaving strangely, and long story short was admitted to hospital with an array of very serious things wrong with him. I honestly thought it was the end.

After many weeks however, he has been sent home. My brother and I have had to make several adjustments at his house to facilitate him coming home, such as new furniture, zimmer frames, various other equipment & he has carers coming in to help.

He has now had an epiphany, that after 50 years on the bottle, he is going to quit - and he grows stronger by the day.

I know I should be elated, and mostly I am, but I also feel.....so very, very tired, as it feels as though the merry-go-round is starting up again.

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

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LuckyCat4 · 01/07/2022 17:31

Yes I have. Although not with a parent. I'm afraid that no one understands the rollercoaster unless they have been on it.

I'd like to suggest the following for your own support:

British Liver Trust for up to date info on health, as you may already know the liver carries out so many functions in the body that it can impact on the brain, the gastrointestinal system and even the feet. There is also a forum you can post on as a family member.

Sarah Drage on Instagram. She lost her own dad to alcoholism and speaks a lot of sense

Nacoa is a charity supporting children of alcoholics of any age.

I'm sending you strength to look after yourself.

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 01/07/2022 17:34

It sounds very difficult.

Should he be driving?

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:36

@LuckyCat4 Thank you, I will look at those.

@Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas We are going to sell his car, he won't be driving going forward.

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JuneOsborne · 01/07/2022 17:37

He's very lucky that you and your brother are so forgiving.

I'd get every agency involved you can. A carer twice a week, or whatever it takes to take some of the burden off you guys.

And you and your brother could try a tag team thing, so you each get some time off the constant stream. You'll both need some down time around all of this.

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:40

Oh, and I should add....we have been here before, in so much as he has had previous health scares, swears he will never drink again, manages this for approx 2 weeks, and then falls off the wagon and the whole cycle starts again.

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Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:42

@JuneOsborne I don't feel like we have any choice really. He would not be able to function without our help. He has no memory of the abuse in our childhood. I brought it up once, and both parents denied it all. If I didn't have my brother (who remembers it the same as me), I would think I had gone mad.

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x2boys · 01/07/2022 17:46

At 82 i don't think he will stop drinking and whilst ,it's terrible for his liver but he's 82 ,he needs to stop driving though.

x2boys · 01/07/2022 17:49

My parents both drink heavily too,it used to frustrate me ,but they are both 80 ,and my mum in particular is in a lot of pain but at there age it's up to them

Wolfiefan · 01/07/2022 17:53

You do have a choice. You can’t control his drinking. But you can control your behaviour.

Blanketpolicy · 01/07/2022 17:54

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

Dh's dad was an alcoholic. Dh simply (it wasn't easy), got off the merry-go-round.

It really is your only option, stay and run their lives for them and everything that comes with it or don't.

It is a horrible horrible illness.

ColouringPencils · 01/07/2022 18:01

Sorry you and your brother are having to be the parents in all of this. It sounds exhausting and you are really going above and beyond, especially considering your childhood. It is a wonder you are not more bitter (which would be perfectly reasonable!) but your compassion rings through your post. Have you got anyone taking care of you?

GoldenApple · 01/07/2022 18:08

I could have written this myself except it was my mum who was the alcoholic. She died at 53 from complications following a necessary medical procedure (the medical procedure was to drain her stomach as her liver had packed in). I would also receive several (video) calls a day, always starting with asking how I am, then launching into whatever was in her head, usually repeating stuff from the past. She too denied being an abusive mother. I too felt like I was going crazy. She also swore to stop drinking over the years (spoiler, it never happened for longer than 2 weeks). I hadn't seen my mum for 18 months prior to her death (this was before covid so I could have seen her). I held her hand as she died and I cried. Tears of relief mostly. I still don't regret keeping her at arm's length before the end. I couldn't have changed a single thing about what happened and I had to protect myself.

What I'm saying is, do what you need to do to look after yourself. Whether that making yourself a little less available, or going no contact. It's not easy being someone's emotional punching bag.

Pixies74 · 01/07/2022 18:10

My parents are/were very similar.. My mum died two years ago at the age of 71 from dementia, no doubt hastened by her history of heavy drinking.

My father (who sounds very similar to yours) is now 71 and I'm very low-contact with him. He's still relatively self-sufficient.. Though has likely alcohol-induced memory issues. Tbh I hope he dies before he gets to the point where he requires support, though he annoyingly seems to have strong genes.. As a teenager I used to hope and thought it was inevitable that the drinking would equal liver disease. Even many decades on that does not seem to be the case!

Though in any case, I don't think I would feel guilty about maintaining my distance.

Pixies74 · 01/07/2022 18:14

Oh yes, the cycle of swearing off alcohol and then "falling off the wagon"... And the gaslighting that they weren't alcoholics because they "only drank wine." 🙄

Beancounter1 · 01/07/2022 18:17

What other responsibilities do you have in your life? Husband/partner? children? job? How thin are you already stretched?

You have a choice here. You can just stop doing stuff for him. If necessary, block him and change your number. Cut all contact and tell your brother this is what you are doing. Don't let social services or anyone else bully you into doing things that you don't want to do and taking on commitments that you can't cope with.

It is a choice you make to have any contact with your father and give him any help or attention whatsoever.
Not saying it would be easy to cut him off - but it is a valid choice.

When you recognise that you have choices, you may feel less pressured and more able to decide what your boundaries will be in this situation. Hopefully it won't go on for very many more years.

I hope you find some strength and peace.

averythinline · 01/07/2022 18:35

Oh I feel for you my mil was like this although more capable as fil had never done anything....but that also made things difficult as she would sack the carers as soon as discharged from hospital...
Unfortunately she too after multiple ins and outs , broken bones, detoxs got very ill comparatively quickly and never made it out of hospital/nursing home..in her 80s
We worked out she'd been an alcoholic for probably 40 yrs.....there was no way she could stop..

Dh went to some al anon meetings locally which helped him frame things and cope for her last decade as it was hard constantly worrying..she lived 100 miles away too...

So my advice is to share talk to your friends, dont hold onto the shame/agnst/difficulty....step back as much as possible... do not facilitate hospital discharges .. .
He ended up taking nearly two months off at the end so save your resources ...emotional, financial and time.....

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 18:36

I am fine with doing what I do for him - I do have the time. There is no way I could go NC with him, and I wouldn't want to. I know our childhood was terrible in parts, but it wasn't all bad, and he does love his children. I am resentful though. Resentful that he doesn't remember how he used to be, and how scared we were as kids. Resentful that we are still here and caring for him, when at times he hasn't deserved it. It's not something I can say IRL, as it sounds so terrible!! And I feel guilty for saying that!! I'm aghast at all of the evenings with family missed, because he was asleep in the corner. Sad that nothing amazing was done with all that retirement time - no travels - just drink. Again, I could say this IRL.

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Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 18:37
  • couldn't say this IRL.
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warmsuncoldwind · 01/07/2022 18:41

My dad died before I had to arrive to your situation, and I was relieved. It’s shameful to say but I was relieved that my dad was dead so I wouldn’t have to continue supporting him through his alcoholism. Stand up for yourself and leave him to himself if you can’t deal with this. You are not a bad person for it, you need to take care of yourself first now.

MichelleScarn · 01/07/2022 18:43

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:42

@JuneOsborne I don't feel like we have any choice really. He would not be able to function without our help. He has no memory of the abuse in our childhood. I brought it up once, and both parents denied it all. If I didn't have my brother (who remembers it the same as me), I would think I had gone mad.

Do you think he really has no memory or thats just convenient and gets you still running his life admin for him?

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 19:08

I've no doubt that his memory is very hazy as to our lives in the 70's and 80's - jeez, he can't even remember what's in his fridge. Bearing in mind, he was pissed a lot of the time. There is absolutely no possibility of leaving him to fend for himself - he can't fathom out how to survive without us. Even things that he used to be pretty good at, he has forgotten how to do. And he doesn't seem to grasp how the world works either. Here's an example - his car insurance is with Tesco. We needed to change something on the policy. His idea was that he would drive to his local Tesco grocery store and ask the lady on the till to do it. He can't grasp that his Tesco car insurance policy can't be accessed by Maureen on the local check out. That kind of thing!! And I wouldn't want to leave him high and dry anyway. Just moaning really!

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hiredandsqueak · 01/07/2022 19:17

Your story mirrors my father's life with dgm who was an alcoholic her whole life. He had a really tough childhood, lots of drama and violence. She abandoned my father and his younger brother for a couple of years when my father was in his early teens. My father worked outside of school to keep him and his brother until she came back.His brother committed suicide at eighteen his mh suffered terribly because of dgm My father was always getting calls throughout my childhood where he'd have to go and sort out the current crisis, get her out of the cells, pay for damage she had caused etc.
She was 66 when my father was called to a hospital as she was desperately ill and not expected to survive. The doctor advised that he found her a care home for her final weeks nearer to where my father lived. She had been weened off the drink in hospital and had cut down on the cigarettes from more than 100 a day to 20 a day and so moved to the care home supposedly to die. In actual fact she thrived and was a witty, polite and gentle woman once she wasn't drinking. She outlived my father and died at 87 and I took over where he had left off.

Whatsthisallaboutconfused · 01/07/2022 19:23

I’m just thinking about all the things you feel you couldn’t say IRL. They really don’t sound bad. They actually sound completely understandable. I’m so glad you’ve got your brother to talk to. I bet you’d find other good people to talk to if you contact those organisations above. Really good luck with processing. It sounds traumatic and exhausting

Raow · 01/07/2022 19:26

Yes me with my mum. She is 76 and been an alcoholic for 40 years. My dad was one too but he died 16 years ago at 60. Very draining.

TheDepthsOfDespair · 01/07/2022 19:32

Sounds just like my DF…. He is currently in hospital with cirrhosis, kidney problems, heart problems, brain problems…. All down to alcohol.
he retired about 10-12 years ago and had been drinking more and more ever since, with me holding his life together.
mine will probably be in hospital for a while longer but I almost dread him coming out as I’ll be worried sick about him.

my DF has been nothing but loving and caring to me and my DB, such a kind parent. It’s only since we’ve been adults ( in our 40s now) that he’s developed this problem.

it’s so sad. And so frustrating as there’s nothing you can do.

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