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Elderly alcoholic parent and the madness that just never ends.

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Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:22

Apologies, this may be long!

My Dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. I am 55 now, he is 82.

He was high functioning when he was working, as in he managed to get up early and hold down a job, however, mine and my brothers home life was a car wreck, as he drank to excess almost daily and was extremely angry and shouty all of the time. Several threats of violence against us and our Mum, that were never carried through, but doors, ornaments, glasses etc, would bear the brunt instead, often getting smashed up or thrown across rooms. This was my childhood as I remember it.

Family parties almost always ended up in one drunken disaster or another, and he completely ruined my engagement party by getting hammered and screaming in front of guests. This carried on through our childhood and in to our adulthood - most family get togethers have ended up the same shit show over the years.

He definitely has a good side - can be funny when sober and is very generous, and I know he does love his 3 children. He has had some awful trauma in life, which may explain his behaviour. I don't know.

Anyway, for the past 20 or so years, he has been retired, and whilst he has mellowed a lot, the drinking has escalated, I guess because there is no job to hold down. As the years have gone on, the angry arguments at family events has been replaced with drinking so excessively that he falls asleep at about 9pm and misses the whole evening. It doesn't matter where you are - he will just slump asleep in a restaurant or bar - anywhere. Which is embarrassing, as he looks as if he has died at the table.

Or, if we are at a house, he will say he's going for a nap at 8pm, and then he will reappear at midnight when most people are going to bed. He will then sit alone and drink until 4am.

It was evident in recent years, that the time on the clock means nothing. He could start drinking at 2pm, fall asleep for a nap, wake up at 7pm for dinner, nap again until 10pm, then start drinking again and carry on drinking until 4am. My Mum seemed to join him in this cycle, but she was not drinking as much as him. In latter years if I stayed with them, they would often nap after dinner, start drinking at 11pm, still be drinking at 5am, and then the drunken arguments would start (which I was meant to referee).

Mum died 5 years ago, and it became obvious that Dad didn't know how to run his own life without her. She did everything. He didn't know who the cars were insured with, who the house was insured with, where the savings were, how to pay any bills - he had been living like a child without any responsibility whatsoever for a few decades it would seem.

This meant that the whole of Dad's life fell in to mine and my brothers hands to manage. He literally exists and drinks, whilst we facilitate his life. This could be anything from insuring his house & car, to ordering a food shop weekly, to arranging his cleaner, managing his bank account, basically everything it takes to care for one whole other person.

He seems to forget that me and my brother work full time, and calls us both, up to 5 times a day for a video chat. The conversation will often start with him asking "How are you?" as if we haven't spoken for a week, when in reality it is probably an hour since we spoke.

In recent weeks, he started behaving strangely, and long story short was admitted to hospital with an array of very serious things wrong with him. I honestly thought it was the end.

After many weeks however, he has been sent home. My brother and I have had to make several adjustments at his house to facilitate him coming home, such as new furniture, zimmer frames, various other equipment & he has carers coming in to help.

He has now had an epiphany, that after 50 years on the bottle, he is going to quit - and he grows stronger by the day.

I know I should be elated, and mostly I am, but I also feel.....so very, very tired, as it feels as though the merry-go-round is starting up again.

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

OP posts:
blubberyboo · 01/07/2022 19:44

Hi OP, I’ve been you although my dad passed away last year in his late sixties.
you are exhausted and often the alcoholic parent gets all the attention and people just make sympathetic faces to you saying “ aw he can’t help it, it’s an illness” the most unhelpful thing to say to a COA, child of alcoholic.

I think you should have a look at website of NACOA. If anything it will help you realise you are not alone

life is easier when you can create a bit of distance between you and your alcoholic parent though I appreciate this is much harder for you now that he is ill and your mum is gone

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 21:45

warmsuncoldwind · 01/07/2022 18:41

My dad died before I had to arrive to your situation, and I was relieved. It’s shameful to say but I was relieved that my dad was dead so I wouldn’t have to continue supporting him through his alcoholism. Stand up for yourself and leave him to himself if you can’t deal with this. You are not a bad person for it, you need to take care of yourself first now.

I can completely understand why you felt this way Flowers

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Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 21:47

hiredandsqueak · 01/07/2022 19:17

Your story mirrors my father's life with dgm who was an alcoholic her whole life. He had a really tough childhood, lots of drama and violence. She abandoned my father and his younger brother for a couple of years when my father was in his early teens. My father worked outside of school to keep him and his brother until she came back.His brother committed suicide at eighteen his mh suffered terribly because of dgm My father was always getting calls throughout my childhood where he'd have to go and sort out the current crisis, get her out of the cells, pay for damage she had caused etc.
She was 66 when my father was called to a hospital as she was desperately ill and not expected to survive. The doctor advised that he found her a care home for her final weeks nearer to where my father lived. She had been weened off the drink in hospital and had cut down on the cigarettes from more than 100 a day to 20 a day and so moved to the care home supposedly to die. In actual fact she thrived and was a witty, polite and gentle woman once she wasn't drinking. She outlived my father and died at 87 and I took over where he had left off.

Good grief! I can't believe hat after all that abuse she outlived your Dad. That must be so hard for you Flowers

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beautyisthefaceisee · 01/07/2022 22:08

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:22

Apologies, this may be long!

My Dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. I am 55 now, he is 82.

He was high functioning when he was working, as in he managed to get up early and hold down a job, however, mine and my brothers home life was a car wreck, as he drank to excess almost daily and was extremely angry and shouty all of the time. Several threats of violence against us and our Mum, that were never carried through, but doors, ornaments, glasses etc, would bear the brunt instead, often getting smashed up or thrown across rooms. This was my childhood as I remember it.

Family parties almost always ended up in one drunken disaster or another, and he completely ruined my engagement party by getting hammered and screaming in front of guests. This carried on through our childhood and in to our adulthood - most family get togethers have ended up the same shit show over the years.

He definitely has a good side - can be funny when sober and is very generous, and I know he does love his 3 children. He has had some awful trauma in life, which may explain his behaviour. I don't know.

Anyway, for the past 20 or so years, he has been retired, and whilst he has mellowed a lot, the drinking has escalated, I guess because there is no job to hold down. As the years have gone on, the angry arguments at family events has been replaced with drinking so excessively that he falls asleep at about 9pm and misses the whole evening. It doesn't matter where you are - he will just slump asleep in a restaurant or bar - anywhere. Which is embarrassing, as he looks as if he has died at the table.

Or, if we are at a house, he will say he's going for a nap at 8pm, and then he will reappear at midnight when most people are going to bed. He will then sit alone and drink until 4am.

It was evident in recent years, that the time on the clock means nothing. He could start drinking at 2pm, fall asleep for a nap, wake up at 7pm for dinner, nap again until 10pm, then start drinking again and carry on drinking until 4am. My Mum seemed to join him in this cycle, but she was not drinking as much as him. In latter years if I stayed with them, they would often nap after dinner, start drinking at 11pm, still be drinking at 5am, and then the drunken arguments would start (which I was meant to referee).

Mum died 5 years ago, and it became obvious that Dad didn't know how to run his own life without her. She did everything. He didn't know who the cars were insured with, who the house was insured with, where the savings were, how to pay any bills - he had been living like a child without any responsibility whatsoever for a few decades it would seem.

This meant that the whole of Dad's life fell in to mine and my brothers hands to manage. He literally exists and drinks, whilst we facilitate his life. This could be anything from insuring his house & car, to ordering a food shop weekly, to arranging his cleaner, managing his bank account, basically everything it takes to care for one whole other person.

He seems to forget that me and my brother work full time, and calls us both, up to 5 times a day for a video chat. The conversation will often start with him asking "How are you?" as if we haven't spoken for a week, when in reality it is probably an hour since we spoke.

In recent weeks, he started behaving strangely, and long story short was admitted to hospital with an array of very serious things wrong with him. I honestly thought it was the end.

After many weeks however, he has been sent home. My brother and I have had to make several adjustments at his house to facilitate him coming home, such as new furniture, zimmer frames, various other equipment & he has carers coming in to help.

He has now had an epiphany, that after 50 years on the bottle, he is going to quit - and he grows stronger by the day.

I know I should be elated, and mostly I am, but I also feel.....so very, very tired, as it feels as though the merry-go-round is starting up again.

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

Amazing heartfelt post. Bless you.

Can I ask a question though?

Why when hes given up and is getting stronger by the day do you think it's a merry go round?

onedayiwillflyaway1 · 01/07/2022 22:35

Putting the alcohol aside and your dad not understanding how to change car insurance rings home. My parents struggle with how services have changed everything is online. I'm now the 24/7 helpline for all that kind of thing. BTW my dad's an alcoholic and my mum has schizophrenia so technology and societal changes to how they organise their lives do not make caring for them easy.

DeedIDo · 02/07/2022 09:19

"Why when hes given up and is getting stronger by the day do you think it's a merry go round?"

This makes perfect sense to me after ten years with XDP, although I always thought it was more like a rollercoaster, because every 'up' like this was inevitably followed by a 'down' possibly even lower than the one before.

You find you can take no pleasure in the commitment to stop, because you know it will not last and you don't know when it will break down, so you're permanently on a knife edge.

blubberyboo · 02/07/2022 09:52

@beautyisthefaceisee

because it never lasts and a COA knows this deep in their bones. A few weeks of improvement and commitment to give up alcohol is absolutely nothing. My dad at times gave up for 6 or 7 weeks and then inevitably went back on it.

so it is a merry go round where you dare to hope they will stop for good but you know it won’t last. The alcohol always wins over any child’s hopes and dreams

DarcyBlue · 02/07/2022 10:42

I feel for you OP. I felt such relief and freedom when my dad passed away. He was also an alcoholic. It is absolutely a choice to drink, while it is an illness it is not the same as cancer.

He was in his early 80s when he I didn’t do any looking after him, it was his younger brother and his wife who continued to run his life and variously cover up for him.

The memory loss is convenient, my dad had this, and the ability to recall events entirely as they did not happen where he was always the victim.

Alcoholics will always seek out enablers. I would be looking at getting off the merry go round if I were you and assess what is help and what is enabling. I get you probably don’t feel that is possible at all, but it is. It’s hard. Sending you strength.

beautyisthefaceisee · 02/07/2022 10:45

blubberyboo · 02/07/2022 09:52

@beautyisthefaceisee

because it never lasts and a COA knows this deep in their bones. A few weeks of improvement and commitment to give up alcohol is absolutely nothing. My dad at times gave up for 6 or 7 weeks and then inevitably went back on it.

so it is a merry go round where you dare to hope they will stop for good but you know it won’t last. The alcohol always wins over any child’s hopes and dreams

Thanks.

It was a genuine question, I just found her post so sad.

beautyisthefaceisee · 02/07/2022 10:45

DeedIDo · 02/07/2022 09:19

"Why when hes given up and is getting stronger by the day do you think it's a merry go round?"

This makes perfect sense to me after ten years with XDP, although I always thought it was more like a rollercoaster, because every 'up' like this was inevitably followed by a 'down' possibly even lower than the one before.

You find you can take no pleasure in the commitment to stop, because you know it will not last and you don't know when it will break down, so you're permanently on a knife edge.

thank you. Again, it was a genuine question. how sad.

Tiredofthemadness · 02/07/2022 11:11

Yes, as PP have alluded, the Merry-Go-Round comment was in relation to everything starting up again. He was hospitalised for about 3 weeks, and it was such a relief knowing that he was being cared for in a professional setting.
When he is home, everything falls to my brother and me, to catch or solve.

We have been here before with him not drinking for a while - although the absolute maximum has been for the grand total of 2 weeks! Then he gets back on the drink.

I think that the next time he drinks it will be spectacularly worse in terms of outcome, because he can hardly stand right now, so I think it will be a case of him getting drunk and falling over and not being able to get back up.

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averythinline · 02/07/2022 11:31

Yes that's entirely likely.... we used to bd relieved when the hospital/ambulance called as at least she'd be safe for a while...

After a while the hospital realised much to her disgust that no she did not have lots of helpat home and thet needed to sort a safe discharge but whilst she had capacity they still kept sending her out but they knew we weren't there to help so the package of carers got bigger...until tge last time where it was just not safe at all as she was too medically illand she got discharged to a nursing home ... bless the staff at the hospital and home as she was horrible to them all....

Is there any chance you could get him into a care home/ nursing home? It was such a relief....

TheDepthsOfDespair · 02/07/2022 11:51

This time round it has been an absolute blessing that they’ve decided he doesn’t have capacity and won’t let him discharge himself. I’m not sure he’ll get to go back to independent living, which breaks my heart but also relieves me.

Tiredofthemadness · 02/07/2022 13:16

Is there any chance you could get him into a care home/ nursing home? It was such a relief....

At £6000 per month, we are trying to avoid this.

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iamtuftyclub · 02/07/2022 18:01

I have a similar situation with a friend, I don't wish to alarm you but the phone call thing could be a sign of alcoholic dementia, which is known as Korsakoff syndrome. My friend sometimes calls 10 or 15 times day, having no memory of earlier calls or , interestingly what time or day it is. Fortunately there is treatment. Thiamine works well. I'd recommend you take him to the doctor for a memory test, though it'll be a struggle as, when someone is drinking they won't get a formal appointment with the memory clinic.

Minimalme · 02/07/2022 18:28

Please stop him driving op. His judgement will be very poor because he doesn't have the cognitive ability to make decisions.

Alcoholics are the most selfish people in the world. You will turn yourself inside out giving everything you've got and more besides and they still won't budge.

Caring for an alcoholic is the most thankless task in the world. I'm sure you feel you love your Dad but the truth is that he only thinks of himself.

You know he will evangelise about giving up then start drinking again, which is why you feel so depressed listening to him go on.

Nothing is real with an alcoholic-they make those around them invisible by never considering their needs. He 'doesn't remember' his abuse towards you because he doesn't care that he hurt you.

He doesn't deserve your help op, he really doesn't.

I may sound harsh but my life improved once my Dad died. I thought I loved him but realised that he didn't love me and actually, the feeling was mutual.

Tredofthemadness · 09/08/2022 06:47

So, an update.

When he came home from hospital, he swore off drink. He only had zero alcohol beers on the weekly Asda shop (that I do on-line for him), and if he went to the bar he had coke.

At the bar, he has progressed from coke to shandy, then to lager dash, then to proper beers - 2-3 pints he says. This week he asked for 4 bottles of wine in the weekly shop (2 white and 2 red). I questioned whether wine was a good idea. He says it's not strong, because it's only 12%, compared to whisky which is 40% (which he still hasn't touched).

I think things are moving in the wrong direction, but do appreciate that wine is a lot weaker than whisky.

Any thoughts?

ChagSameachDoreen · 09/08/2022 06:49

Cut him off. He's a lost cause. Too many chances.

Sunnysideup999 · 09/08/2022 07:04

He’s fried his body and mind through putting alcohol first all his life. At 82 this won’t change.
let go of the guilt. He’s not your responsibility .
be there for him - but from a distance.
pick up the phone but not daily - maybe once a week.

Tredofthemadness · 09/08/2022 07:08

Can't cut him off (and I wouldn't want to be that cruel). He has absolutely no one else to care for him. He doesn't know how to do anything for himself. If I don't pick up the phone, he will ring and ring and ring and ring until I do. Maybe leaving it 10 minutes between calls, lol.

userxx · 09/08/2022 07:11

The wine will lead to whiskey again, he's just making up excuses, standard alcoholic.

Mememene · 09/08/2022 07:12

Tredofthemadness · 09/08/2022 06:47

So, an update.

When he came home from hospital, he swore off drink. He only had zero alcohol beers on the weekly Asda shop (that I do on-line for him), and if he went to the bar he had coke.

At the bar, he has progressed from coke to shandy, then to lager dash, then to proper beers - 2-3 pints he says. This week he asked for 4 bottles of wine in the weekly shop (2 white and 2 red). I questioned whether wine was a good idea. He says it's not strong, because it's only 12%, compared to whisky which is 40% (which he still hasn't touched).

I think things are moving in the wrong direction, but do appreciate that wine is a lot weaker than whisky.

Any thoughts?

My thoughts are he's probably getting more elsewhere, once an alcoholic puts it in their system it starts an incredibly strong craving for more. I know I am a recovering alcoholic who hasn't had a drink for several years. The only way to stay off it, is to never ever have the first drink.

Get those car keys off him, take them away, he could kill someone. He's probably driving for more booze. The compulsion to drink, when you've had the first one, is really strong. Get those car keys off him before the car is sold. See the GP, they won't give you information but you can tell them he's a danger on the road. They can report him to the DVLA there will be enough medical evidence and he will lose his licence

Please take the car keys away now don't wait for anything else.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 09/08/2022 07:13

What would happen if you refused to add booze to his delivery? Would he just go out and buy it? Such a difficult situation OP.

Mememene · 09/08/2022 07:17

If an active alcoholic tells you they've had 2 to 3 beers then multiply x 4 or 5 and you'll be closer. If he's getting to a bar, he'll be buying more when he's out for the home. This is BS about the strength if the alcohol, this just triggers the compulsion to drink more.

Mememene · 09/08/2022 07:22

BigSandyBalls2015 · 09/08/2022 07:13

What would happen if you refused to add booze to his delivery? Would he just go out and buy it? Such a difficult situation OP.

That's just a game to show his daughter how well he's doing. That will be the tip of the iceberg to what he's really drinking.

She mentions him being at the bar ...... I haven't drank for several years now thank goodness and try to help other alcoholics who WANT to stop in AA.

Lying about the amount you drink is rule no. 1 in the alcoholics handbook.