To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

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This is a random thread..if you arent interested in Katie and Peter please dont bother reading...
Just had a binge watch of old episodes of Americas Next top model on youtube and it showed me Katie and Peter stateside - their opd documentary..I used to watch it and love them as a couple together. Was gutted when they split but like everyone else at the time I remember thinking how awful Katie was and how she was in the wrong during that infamous massive row they had in that shop in LA.
It pops back up and so I watch it again, near in mind this is after years of me seeing ir. And cant believe it! Its like a brand new argument - completely saw this in a different way.
Pete was the onein the wrong, not Katie. In fact he was awful, actually abusive? Swearing at her calling her a f*king b**ch, "a cow", "you think youre gonna get away with it?"
Bleeding hell, if this isnt abusive I dont know what is! Im more in shock because I remember all the stick KP got, the hate campaign and the "team Pete" . He deserves a medal and all that bollocks.
It just doesnt make sense. How can anyone see it for what itnwas? In fact watching it again, KP hardly spoke..it was all Pete winding her uo, qlmost goading her and then blasting her when she bit back at him..Im just really shocked I guess....😶 makes you wonder how things can get so easily misrepresented.
What does everyone think?

She's a better Mum than Dwight York is a Dad!

Or Peter Andre ... a 'good Dad' doesn't abuse his children's Mother, he doesn't manipulate situations, he doesn't deliberately cause distress to the Mum because he knows that impacts his children.

When you look back at Kates life, I'm not sure how anyone with an ounce of humanity fails to see that she was manipulated from the get go, right back to her teenage years she was groomed and exploited .

I was at the time of her relationship with Andre, A lone voice pointing out that he was abusive ... Andre playing the victim and turning the media even further in the misogynistic frenzy, against Kate fueled the breakdown of her sanity.

Its clear to anyone with more than a passing interest in Psychology that Kate has issues and they've only gotten worse to the point where she finally spiralled out of control on hearing of her beloved Mums terminal illness.

Some people love to blame Katie for everything and yes, she absolutely has some responsibility to carry but those fingers should be firmly pointed at the real villains - the men who've used and exploited her and still do!

Andre still dines out on playing the martyr & victim when he needs a bit of publicity.

He's a creep at best and if the truth came out, a lot worse.

I remember watching an episode of the PA & KP show.

PA was so downright nasty to KP, it was over something inconsequential about how a word was spelled so they could Google it or something. PA didn’t know how to spell the word and when KP was sounding it out to work out how to spell it he was so rude and jeering to her. She did get quite close to spelling the word correctly, enough for Google to pick up what she was looking for.

I was always shocked that the media still held that she was the angry harridan and poor PA. I could clearly see he was really nasty and abusive towards her. I do also remember KP being very upset when she miscarried and they were together when it happened it was on their show.

I think the hate towards KP is PA having the better PR team but also it’s very misogynistic, she’s not the ‘typical victim’.

Do you remember when she used revenge porn against Alex Reid? She’s lovely.

The speculation is due to domestic violence as the children witnessed it and was then told to keep quiet.

I always thought that Peter is putting on a nice guy doting dad act.

I always thought this- even if she had cheated (which I don’t think she did), to walk out on your marriage, mother of your two young children, not speak to her and hide behind your agent I thought was despicable.

I think the end of there marriage was the beginning of the end for her she spiraled out of control lost her children and spiraled some more he has an excellent pr team and she has form for being a bad girl I don't think she can cope with being in the public eye nor being OUT of the public eye

It's sad to watch

Sadly all is says to me is even intelligent, well brought up women want to be with someone rich. Of course if she hadn’t married Andre she would have married rich but given her age her partner would have taken a further 10years to become rich and established.

That doesn't mean Andre wasn't abusive though, people are invariably not 'perfect victims'. She desperately needs help, but as is the system in this country, they'd rather just keep arresting someone than offering any tangible help or support. She used to seem to be a good mum before she started unraveling in public view where people kept sticking the knife in.

There may have been times when he bit back for sure but I watched all their katie and peter documentaries and she spoke to him constantly like he was a piece of shit. She was always belittling him in front of the cameras and criticising him all the time. If you did see him be rude back, it definitely was not one sided.

I also went to school with her and that was basically her character. Not a nice person even back then.

He was abusive to her, it’s there to see. I can’t stand him. I don’t understand anyone that is taken in by him at all. He oozes awful traits whilst telling you how great he is. And people believe it, I really don’t get it. His relationship with the new wife seems odd to me. She seems impressed by him and feeds his ego. He seems almost as impressed by her being a doctor. It’s all just very weird.

It’s very difficult to like Katie Price either. Introducing so many partners to her children so quickly is just wrong, but I do think she’s quite a vulnerable person underneath it all. The drink driving is unforgivable though.

It’s all been very messy and anyone in their right mind would avoid them all.

I’m not saying he wasn’t? Just that there is plenty of evidence and many examples of her being abusive herself.

Neither are angels. Although PA has definitely come out of this appearing as the good guy, but the first time I questioned this, was reading in one of KP's books that he was talking to his brother in front of her and he referred to her as 'it' - nasty, demeaning....

Theyre both awful dickheads

They don't deserve all the attention they receive (solicit)

Ah that makes it okay then.

I think it’s because the world has really woken up in the past 20 years when it comes to abuse. Red flags, gaslighting, narcissistic behaviour, emotional abuse, manipulation etc weren’t things that were discussed openly. Abuse just meant physical violence to a lot of people back then, and women like Katie were just seen as nutters for reacting so emotionally.

He's a total snake. It's nice to see that others realise this too.

I always thought he was a bit of a prick for the way he left her - publicly, right after a miscarriage and didn’t say much but implied she was a piece of shit in the most poisonous way. Agree she has issues and shit taste in men.

Only a passing interest in Katie but I always wondered about Pete. Katie seemed honest and as blunt as a brick while Pete seemed fake. Men get an easier ride in some cases of domestic abuse.

This situation remains me of my horrible relationship, I'm honest blunt while he seemed to know what to say. My ex won a lot of people over.

A woman needs to be the perfect victim to be believed, perfect people don't exist.

I totally agree. PA seems like a nasty piece of work. It’s always made me uncomfortable. I’ve always had a soft spot for KP. When you think what she’s gone through in her life you have to admire her tenacity. She’s always tried hard with her family, to earn money, and always shown her true self. It’s sad to see her addictions to drugs and awful men bring her down. She’s been used and abused pretty much her whole life.

I've always hated him and how the wingey little prick would use the media to get them on his side by crying how much he loves his kids. Very manipulative .

I agree that the videos show Pete in a light that wasn't shine clearly decades ago.

However an amazing mum? Can't deny that I once thought that and do agree she's been great for Harvey in many ways.

However she isn't a generally great mum. And I hate with a passion how she's now using Harvey for meet and greats to make money for herself. That poor lad. He doesn't have the ability to properly consent to this.

I hope so - because I agree with this

I think they both come across as extremely unlikeable.
I've not been convinced she's a great mum but I think she has a lot of psychological issues that are likely exploited by others for "entertainment" when actually she would be better off getting professional help (privately rather than in the spotlight)

Both were in a toxic relationship. If you rewatch the show you will see how abusive she was to him. Neither came up smelling of roses. The show was heavily edited and scenes were created for dramatic purposes, I'm sure that was stated somewhere so it wasn't all actually real!

He made a second career off the back of his relationship with her and never acknowledges that, which I don't like. He doesn't talk about her in public and nor should he. I'm sure I read all her kids now live with their perspective fathers and Harvey is living in a residential place. She's not in the best of places. So many men have used her and thrown her away and I think for all the bravado she is actually an insecure person.