To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

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This is a random thread..if you arent interested in Katie and Peter please dont bother reading...
Just had a binge watch of old episodes of Americas Next top model on youtube and it showed me Katie and Peter stateside - their opd documentary..I used to watch it and love them as a couple together. Was gutted when they split but like everyone else at the time I remember thinking how awful Katie was and how she was in the wrong during that infamous massive row they had in that shop in LA.
It pops back up and so I watch it again, near in mind this is after years of me seeing ir. And cant believe it! Its like a brand new argument - completely saw this in a different way.
Pete was the onein the wrong, not Katie. In fact he was awful, actually abusive? Swearing at her calling her a f*king b**ch, "a cow", "you think youre gonna get away with it?"
Bleeding hell, if this isnt abusive I dont know what is! Im more in shock because I remember all the stick KP got, the hate campaign and the "team Pete" . He deserves a medal and all that bollocks.
It just doesnt make sense. How can anyone see it for what itnwas? In fact watching it again, KP hardly spoke..it was all Pete winding her uo, qlmost goading her and then blasting her when she bit back at him..Im just really shocked I guess....😶 makes you wonder how things can get so easily misrepresented.
What does everyone think?

I think with her I just always wonder if she'll ever learn. She's strong but always will be a victim to manipulative men. I think that's why she's skint - she's allowed herself to give her all to men who know that's the kind of person she is and they will be able to profit from her. I always get the feeling she needs a support network of good women, she doesn't seem to have any female friends.

I have a lot of sympathy for her, she is clearly very damaged and has been horrendously bullied by the media and abused by every man she has been involved with. And he is a preening creep.

But it’s a big stretch to call her a good mum. She is really not

Nick Lachey was horrible to Jessica Simpson, I remember him berating her for spending her own money.
Peter Andre is a total dick, but so is Katie Price.

It’s possible the root of all her money problems are men, having endless surgery, flash cars and holidays but she’s also just always trying to escape her own life. She can’t stay home and do school runs, it’s not fulfilling to her. She is addicted to drama

It's often the case that abusive partners are lovely to their next partner. Thinking of Mark Wright from Towie, remember how he was to Lauren, calling her '19 stone' and banning her from his events despite tons of other women being there. Can't imagine him being like that with Michelle?

‘A great divorce deal’? He probably got a fair and legal split of the assets, which is what we would all hope for, right? Perhaps he got good advice, perhaps she didn’t. Doesn’t make either of them good or bad.

I feel for her, she’s a lost woman who needs a lot of therapy. every relationship she’s had people have wanted stuff off her. Has anyone been in her life because they want to be? Peter Andre is no exception, given they had the same management they did a good job of spitting her out.

Literally everyone here is speculating, only informed from the shite they pick up in the media.

Why is he abusive though? If she was all innocent then he'd be highly unlikely to call her those things. TV will only show what they think you want to see, rather than reality. I'm not saying either of them are perfect, but there does seem to be this general consensus that all woman are victims and all men are bastards on here. Katie's behaviour has been shocking recently so she certainly has the mentality to be abusive. I can't say I've seen the same about Peter, recently.

No I do know someone who knows her

Just reminds me of my own situation with narcissistic partner..Peter Andre turning on the charm and showing how good of a dad he is. All for show
I am ashamed that I originally watched it and thought she was vile whilst thinking he was amazing! Even shedding tears for him after their huge public break up.

Also, watching old episodes I noticed she loved Harvey more than her other kids? Theres loads of scenes of her - you can tell its the real her..she genuinely looks so happy and peaceful holding Harvey and stroking him. Whereas with Junior and Princess, she basically ignores them, or scolds Junior. I was shocked about that obvious favouritism. I do think Harvey has a special place in her heart ❤ which is lovely to see but do feel sorry for her other kids.

I thought it was his fault at the time. I remember thinking how he must have an amazing PR team as everyone seemed to be team Pete with Katie getting all the blame.

I wouldn’t really say she loves Harvey more than her other kids. It’s pure speculation and a bit mean. Think of it the other way - many of us mums with one child who has extra needs might feel we need to do more for that child. To ‘make it up’ to them because they’ve got things so hard. And Harvey has profound disabilities, plus no dad. She’s all he has.

Plus on a TV show they have a vested interest in showing her being lovey with the child who has profound disabilities because it sets up a narrative/softens her as a character etc. It’s no real view into someone’s feelings or their life. Maybe she thought ‘I better look after Harvey a bit extra since Junior and Princess have their dad.’ Imagine if she hadn’t? ‘Ooh Katie’s ignoring poor Harvey who has nobody so she can cosy up with her new family she’s sooooo awful.’

Exactly. Just because he was abusive to her doesn’t mean she isn’t a grade A arsehole. There’s only so much sympathy people can have for people like her and she needs to take some responsibility for her actions, no matter how messed up her childhood was or her mental health issues are. It’s not an excuse.

Of course you do.

And even taking you at your word, YOU don’t … so all your “information” is 2nd hand and means absolutely fuck all. You still don’t know them personally and what they’re actually like.

Katie is extremely vulnerable and on a bit of a spiral. I have always thought her completely honest and heart on her sleeve. When she was in the jungle she came across as a lovely person who wasn’t the person she normally portraits. Her demons are with her and have been for a while. I really hope she comes out of it the other end as it is very sad to watch her downhill trend. I have met PA as he lived close by and he was always a pleasant guy. So no real comment on him. Katie needs help and I hope she gets it.

They're both fucking awful. If she wasn't KP, she'd be in prison. Just hope she doesn't end up killing someone.

I think this has been fairly well documented.

Katie accused Peter of having an affair but was basically having an affair herself which resulted in an abortion. There is a possibility it was Peters baby, but who knows.

Her children have (all) been removed from her and she only has supervised access. Harvey was the last to go as he is clearly more difficult to place and has no father to take him. She is no "good mum" currently. She does appear to be a good mum when not on drugs and with unsuitable men, but the fact SS have removed the kids speaks for itself.

Peter Andre may not have been an angel, but Katie is the one who cannot stay in a relationship. Their relationship was already going very bad when those rows were filmed.

Emily's father introduced her to Peter, and as he knew him well one assumes he is not generally an abusive arsehole, but probably Katie brought out the worst in him.

Katie's current male pal is a user who is verbally abusive and physically abusive and banned from seeing the kids, yet she is still hanging on to him.

She has documented long term issues with alcohol and drugs.

She is very close to being sent to prison for various drug and alcohol related crimes, and is clearly not currently abstaining from drugs.

All in all I think the person starting this thread is a last ditch effort from her PR to try to paint her as an abused woman, which I'm not at all sure fits the bill...

her questionable relationship decisions aside, she has done a great job with Harvey.

I use to agree with this although suspected she had far more help than the average send family.

However I'm disgusted lately with how she takes him from that safe and supportive environment into nightclubs for meet and greets. There is absolutely no way he is competent enough to fully consent to that and it's definitely about making money for her and not him.

His living costs are paid for and he'll also get full rate PIP.

What you see is Katie gets a lot of self gratification from Harvey, it makes her feel good secure and loved. The other kids she is very matey with in a way of banter and not as nurturing and affectionate it’s a different set up

I do know someone who knows her but yes my info is 2nd hand I never said it wasn’t? Actually the person I know also felt sorry for her and liked her a lot, then was turned on by Katie. There are 2 sides to that story too rightly or wrongly Katie has got a lot of issues and no intention of getting the right kind of help she would benefit from. The main knowledge I have is that she is in total denial about her money issues and blaming everyone else and won’t take any responsibly for any of her own actions.

What an absolute crock.

She's a disgrace of a human being who has lost custody of her kids.

Fucking hell, there are some low bars on here.

It’s not crock to see the bigger picture of how someone ended up where they did.

I don’t get why her brother stopped looking after her money

I don't think you can judge either of them in that relationship based on record docusoap footage.
KP needs help, she's going to end up in prison if she carries on the way she has been

She has made some poor choices absolutely but the parent she has been to Harvey, single handedly, is a good one. Whereas his dad completely abandoned all responsibility.

My children have similar disabilities and when I’ve watched her with Harvey, I can totally relate to the circumstances and her interaction with him. It’s a difficult life and she’s devoted to him.

No one actually knows her except those closest, we only know what is fed to us by the media and by people who benefit from her being made out to be this terrible person.

It’s also ok to disagree with me without throwing insults at me and my so called ‘low bar’.