To draw your attention to this U.K. abortion law court case?

[Wouldloveanother]

Evening ladies
in light of Roe v Wade, it seems more important than ever that we are vigilant about abortion rights here in Britain.
there is an upcoming case at the Court of Appeal which seeks to repeal section 1(1)(d) of the Abortion Act 1967. Which permits later terminations for fetal abnormalities.
the hearing is on 13th July (next month).
very few posters seemed to be aware of it, so thought I would open it here for anyone who wishes to discuss.
thanks

It's a tragic situation to be in. At 36 weeks whether Inside the womb or dying in their mothers arms. That baby will feel pain. If born, pain relief can be given & baby can be comforted in its short lived life.

Agree with this

I agree that’s not happening in the UK.

It’s what many here advocate though.

I’m not against abortion in all circumstances.

What I’m dead set against is the proposition that abortion beyond the point of viability where the foetus is healthy should be allowed.

Even if we go with the idea that a person shouldn’t have to remain pregnant a minute longer than they want to be, I don’t understand why the baby would have to die in these circumstances.

I believe it should be down to the woman to choose. I hope to never find myself in these shoes. But I would want to make my own choice.

@LoveIsAFairyTale exceot in your preferred scenario the baby has to go through up to another 5 weeks of pregnancy plus birth just to get to the place where pain relief can be administered to die anyway.

Isnt it kinder to end any possible suffering as soon as you become aware of the issue?

I don’t know much about fetus pain levels. I suspect the wild claims on this thread about the amount of pain a fetus feels and when are wildly exaggerated and used in a bid to control women and their feelings.

@PetraBP who is going to look after it?

www.rcog.org.uk/guidance/browse-all-guidance/other-guidelines-and-reports/fetal-awareness-review-of-research-and-recommendations-for-practice/

I stand corrected if this is out of date! But to me this reads that it is not necessary used 100% of the time.

More like euthanasia (depending on the severity of the disability).

Literally no one, any where, is advocating for late term abortion of a healthy feotus.

You're making that up. 100% that's fiction in your head.

Petra "What I’m dead set against is the proposition that abortion beyond the point of viability where the foetus is healthy should be allowed."

This happens extremely rarely if at all.

Isn't a D&C dismemberment though?

Obviously it's not used past a certain stage -about 20w if I recall, but we can't say that fetuses are not dismembered at any stage, when it's one of the procedures that is used.

Roe vs Wade really has brought all the fantasists to the yard.

Really? My cousin had DS and died at a few months old from related complications. I’m sure some people are fine but you’re making out it’s a trivial condition.

@aldilemonade thank you.
I am sorry for everyone on this thread who has experienced a tfmr. It's a heartbreaking thing to go through

The problem with writing into law a strict time limit on termination, or (god forbid) a list of permitted reasons, you’re into very dangerous territory.
Youre only one step away from a list of state permitted disabilities and a scale of ‘how disabled’ before permission is given. Horrific.

The woman’s right to choose for whatever reason (and there are always multiple social, financial etc) MUST take precedence over all else. That principle alone is the one I stand by. Her body her choice every single time.

I know someone who kept their DS baby. He was born with severe complications, and had to have three operations in his short life before eventually dying a year later.
He suffered, the mother suffered, the whole family suffered. I don't think anyone has the right to force a family to go through that. The mother was religious and considers that it was god who took her baby and his decision. That was her right to choose that course of action.

I have a friend who had a TFMR, she speaks of it as losing a baby. The baby was very much wanted.
These are difficult decisions women have to make and they should be supported as much as possible.

No one is advocating that women should be able to go up to 40 weeks and then abort on a whim. It quite simply does not happen.

Then don't YOU have one after this date

Well, ones a foetus, and ones a baby. What don't you understand?

The medical professions also get it wrong from time to time, just as when they try and tell you that your baby needs to be induced because it’s an absolute whopper and then time after time these babies are born at 6/7 pounds entirely normal weight range. It’s extremely difficult to diagnose in utro.

my cousin terminated at 25 weeks because she was told Edwards syndrome. one of the key indicators is Clubbed hands and feet, the baby was born normal.

I wish the assault on women’s rights would end. This is the thin end of the wedge.

I was 6.5mo pregnant when my baby was diagnosed.

i was reminded by the medical team
that I could seek a late term abortion and given dire warnings about how disabled my daughter would be.

i decided against it. We had tried for that baby and being so far gone I couldn’t really begin to think about termination.

Fortunately while my dd does have many issues to face she has a life worth living.

As a parent my day to day is much harder than most fulfilling her care needs but she will go on to live independently and has an active life full of joy.

all that makes it sound like I’m anti TFMR at a late stage but I’m not.

Everyone should make their choice with their medical team and a professional counsellor, no one else gets to judge

I don't know about pain levels either. My sisters were born at 28 weeks. I am only going by a baby being born at 36 weeks gestation and that they would feel pain. It's not about guilting women into doing anything. A lot comes down to what the condition is that the baby has. Are they likely to be in pain in the womb? Or will the suffering begin once on the outside?

And the people saying that people should put disabled babies up for adoption if they don’t feel they can cope are deluded as to what growing up in state care means for any child let alone a child with profound disability

Euthanasia

I believe it should be down to the woman.

She's the one who has to bring up the baby, who has to give her life for the baby.

All this take away womens rights, force them to have children is ludicrous. As a planet we are extremely overpopulated, our life span has increased dramatically in most countries, we do have the resources to continually reproduce humans. We already have seen huge rise in costs, and food shortages....

Why the fuck are they doing this to us? And why as women are we not taking the streets?