Sick of the push for Scottish independence

[ThisKiltIsMadeForWalking]

I keep seeing on the news that Nicola Sturgeon is pushing for another referendum and I just don’t get it. If she doesn’t get the answer she wants this time can she push for another in a few years? I just find it disgusting that half the country are struggling badly for things like food/electricity/petrol and she wants to spend millions pushing for something that she wants, that the majority voted against a few years ago? Am I missing something?

If we do have another referendum, I do NOT think it should be a Yes/No question as it was last time. Those campaigning against independence last time were often accused of being negative, but when one is campaigning FOR a negative, there is bound to be a negative flavour to your campaign.

If it is to be a Yes/No vote, then the SNP and pro-independence campaigners should be campaigning for a No vote (ie. The question should be “Do you want to stay in the Union with the rest of the UK?”) - let them be on the negative side for a change.

In my view the ballot paper should read:

I want Scotland to stay in the union with the rest of the UK.

or

I want Scotland to be independent.

Last time, if I recall correctly, the vote was a Yes/No vote, to keep things simple and avoid confusion - but I believe the Scottish people are well able to understand the question as I’ve put it - I don’t think it needs dumbing down!

Absolutely no way in hell I’d vote for it

If you do not live in Scotland you are being very unreasonable - people from the rest of the UK like to complain about Scotland and the push for independence like they deserve a say in it.

It’s more nuanced if you live in Scotland.

I’m English, live in Scotland. I have a Scottish parent who lives in England.

They do deserve a their say, because it would cost us as well. And the SNP plan on taking our currency with them 🤨

I don't live in Scotland.

I have as much right to my opinion as you.

You can move away from Scotland. I can never not be Scottish (not that I would ever want to be the case).

I’m Scottish living in England and it absolutely affects me.
At some point I’d hoped to return to Scotland but not in the event of independence and such political and economic uncertainty.
It affects the situation with ageing relatives still in Scotland and the support I can give them.
It will affect many thousands of families across the UK.

I agree. Scot here, lived in Northern England since my eldest DC was a baby. English DH, DC sound English. I have never experienced any anti Scots comments, but they have experienced some anti English rhetoric when they’ve been in Scotland. Not as bad nowadays thankfully as when my DH moved there as a child, and was bullied relentlessly by the hard of thinking for his crime of Englishness.

I have found very little difference in our lives here, to those of the wider family in Scotland, apart from the greater work opportunities for our younger generations. Thankfully they seem to favour the Union. Probably because like so many in Britain their heritage is an amalgam.

This.

If we must have one can we not do in 6 weeks time or something and be done with rather than wasting money with campaigns and forgetting about the business of actually running the country.

@ScarletTulips A vote can not involve people who might or might not return to Scotland.

You and I both understand it, but you wouldn’t believe the abject stupidity of a large proportion of the population. It really does have to be a yes or no

It's a convenient excuse, no more. Do you really think that if the UK had voted remain in 2016 the SNP would have just got on with running a devolved nation? Nah, they'll stop at nothing until they get what they want.

I think it is a very different proposition. I voted no before and will now vote yes.

I think the rest of the UK should be allowed to vote on whether we want to keep Scotland or boot them out. They'd soon get their wish that way.

Well maybe not.

But let's not pretend it doesn't impact us Scots who live elsewhere in the UK.

And if the SNP thought it would increase their share of the vote, we absolutely would have the vote.

OdFOD

If they are that stupid, should they be allowed to make such an important decision?

Scottish people may not be the brightest but they are a whole lot brighter than the rest of the UK.

England and Wales votes for Brexit ffs.

And most of the Scottish posters here would have had a better education than others. It's only since the SNP took over that its deteriorated.

Don't be ridiculous. That's the sort of grabby tactics Boris would use, not Holyrood. No way any other country should have a say.

Amazing how some posters list all the wrongs of Scottish Government but seem incapable of recognising the shit show that is Westminster Government. Johnson is a lying lawbreaking criminal. Worse - his Tory MP's support him!
Scotland doesn't need that and doesn't want that calibre of government.

Johnson has reneged on deals made re Northern Ireland (once he got their support for Brexit) and has ensured government in Stormont cannot function. He cannot be trusted.
He is prepared to fund pure vanity projects that serve only the far south of the UK and delivers nothing to people 'north of Watford'.

I do think some posters on here could do with living in England for a while if they think the NHS, Education and Policing is functioning well in England. It is not - recruitment and retention at an all time low, ambulances stacking up outside A&E, doctors leaving in droves and access to mental health care virtually impossible for so many.

Yes - Scotland should have its say in Independence from a form of government that is anathema to most of us. Many of us want nothing to do with this amoral bunch of self serving Tories who partied their way through a pandemic and continue to lie about it.

Yes to Independence.

YABU to get annoyed by SNP. The reason they exist is to campaign for independence, expecting them to do differently if frankly stupid.

I'd fully agree with the comments on the direction of the conservative party of recent years (I typically vote conservative), and can only hope that that will change. It will take a lot of time to undo this damage, but fingers crossed...

Having said that, Scotland (like other regional areas) are basically ruled from the denser more populated areas of England. That's how it will continue. (Unlike Wales) it is thoroughly anglicized, integrated socially (especially at levels of meaningful power and influence) and economically dependent on us English. I really can't see if happening ever, but don't expect SNP to change.

Probably not, but that’s democracy for you!

I do think the Tories are a disaster just now, but they can be voted out - and I believe they will be at the next election. Indy Scotland would be a disaster for at least the next 20 years.

God I cannot face having to go through this again 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

JauntyJinty, Brexit is being used as an excuse - polls in Scotland on the independence question have barely moved, so it would appear many Scots actually don't really care.

I did wonder at the time of the Brexit vote whether the fact that the SNP tied the prospect of a vastly different outcome in Scotland to another independence referendum whether that might have skewed Scotland's vote somewhat. Those wanting another independence referendum but who weren't keen on remaining in the EU may have decided to vote remain to push another independence vote.

If you do not live in Scotland you are being very unreasonable - people from the rest of the UK like to complain about Scotland and the push for independence like they deserve a say in it

I think Scottish people who live elsewhere (whether in the UK or elsewhere) deserve a say.

And how on earth are they going to decide who qualifies for a Scottish passport? As an example, I have a friend who was born in Scotland to English parents but now lives in Germany.