To ask you not to tolerate the term "pregnant people"

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It might seem harmless and kind but it is not harmless. I'm seeing the term alot at the moment due to the horrid state of affairs across the pond.

Pregnancy, abortion, menstruation, menopause. These are issues that affect women and reasons why men have sought to control us, to control our bodies. We are seen as vessels, chattels, playthings, property, servants, and then, when we can no longer get pregnant, as useless rubbish. All due to our biological function. If you tolerate language change so these things are seen as 'people' rights issues that affect both 'men' and women we lose the truthful and valid argument that bad and oppressive practices, laws, policy decisions etc, e.g. banning of abortion, are rooted in misogyny, which of course they are.

Abortion bans are because of misogyny. Especially in countries where there is no free maternal care, no statutory maternity leave or pay, no shits given about the children once they are born. This is a women's rights issue, a sex based one. And we, as a sex class, must never take any rights we have for granted.

Totally agree and wonderfully put

You are so very right.

If you are pregnant you are a woman or a girl.

I've never had anyone object in real life.

Absolutely.

Also, ”chest feeding” and the idea that men can have periods is fucking ridiculous.

I was impressed with Bidens speech, he deliberately only said women and girls, I was angrily waiting for pregnant people and was very happy when it didn’t appear.

I closed down an article I was reading on the BBC about Roe v Wade as mentioned people who want to have a termination

😡 I felt angry enough then that bollocks

had previously said women so have no idea why mid article switched to people

You are right.

And this may get me some shit but I don't care. I am all for everyone having rights but trans (women's) rights are inspite of women's rights.

We are the ones that lose out in most of the proposals that are put out there.

I was just thinking about this today! I keep seeing this term used everywhere. Is it to be inclusive of trans men?

But surely all you are doing here is battling people who are biologically female. People who were born female, but for whatever reason feel so completely at odds with their biology that they are choosing to live as men. Transmen. Some of whom may still be able to get pregnant and breastfeed, or may need cervical smears, or access other traditionally termed 'women's' services. So is it really that big a deal to use language that encompasses both females who are women and those who identify as transmen?

I saw these shared on Instagram the other day 🙄

exactly

The moment you say “people”, it becomes an issue which involves both men and women. Given it’s men taking away women’s rights, it’s absolutely appropriate to recognise that this is a woman’s issue, NOT a peoples issue.

Need to memorise your OP to use in real life.

The NHS web page about cervical cancer also says "women and people with a cervix". Gives me the rage. Their pages about testicular and prostate cancer just say "men".

It’s ostensibly to include transmen, but really a lot of it is so as not to remind other people that women as a biological class have uteruses.

IT IS NOT ABOUT MEN NOT HAVING PERIODS. It is acknowledging that people who were born female and now live as male or as non-binary still have a uterus and therefore can still menstruate and get pregnant. This isn’t about men claiming to be women to access changing rooms and blah blah blah, the usual MN trans hysteria.

Ditto chest feeding. And the language isn’t used for everyone, it’s allowing people to have the option of language that’s more inclusive to them if they wish it. I was a pregnant woman, and I breastfed. I have been involved in the care of people who now identify as male and have given birth and chosen to chest feed. It doesn’t take anything away from my experience by allowing them to have theirs.

So say “women and trans men”, not “people” which also includes everyone else.

If someone said Black Lives Matter, would you point out that for the purposes of inclusion, all lives matter? No, it’s absolutely fine to point out that certain issues affect subgroups

You mean dehumanising language that reduces women to bodies and body parts? “Womb carriers” (as we saw the other day); “birthing bodies”, “uterus havers”?

Men of course have always been Men — fully rational beings of mind as well as body. Women, conversely, have historically always been thought of as bodies without proper minds, or legal or philosophical personhood, or fully realised selves. And here it is again! “Birthing bodies” — just lumps of flesh, meat containers there to serve the sexual and reproductive needs of those who are fully endowed with actual personhood, namely MEN. And the fact hat we were just thought of as animal bodies for servicing men’s needs was always the reason why were owned by men in the first place.

So yes, it IS actually a big deal, thanks for asking.

The word “women” does that. Females would work too.

You don’t care that one of the reasons why women are oppressed has always been the easy way we are reduced to body parts for sex and bearing men’s children? And that this was why men owned us, because we were considered mere bodies, inferior to rational men?

Why do you think women weren’t allowed to be educated, historically? It was because we weren’t considered to have fully rational minds with full cognitive capacity - as primarily reproductive bodies, we were lesser beings with weak intellects, ruled by our emotions and our physiology - “birthing bodies” only.

Thinking of women as “birthing bodies” is the oldest kind of misogyny, exactly what has led to the abortion situation in the US. It’s not progressive, it’s not inclusive - it’s dehumanising and pejorative, and revives exactly all the offensive misogynist tropes of past history that women have fought for centuries against.

Still like it?

Bearing in mind that at my local hospital outpatient department calls men to their appointments as Mr John Smith and women as Jane Smith, the NHS is so patriarchially sexist and discriminatory against women, the whole this is utter boileaux. The NHS needs to fully understand the Sex Discrimination Act (1974) and they have had 38 years so to do, before they start on this gig.

If one dares call them out on sex discrimination, one gets the carefully curated NHS eye roll. If any NHS employee wishes to refer to me as gender neutral I shall practice the eye roll very carefully.

They really can't help themselves. When I was pg with ds 28 years ago they wanted to refer to my partner, rather than my husband and got arsy and eyerolly back then when I said I didn't have a partner.

You would think the NHS had better things to do bearing in mind how overworked they are all supposed to be.

Apologies for typos.

I have no problem with it. I am a woman, and I am a person. When I was pregnant I was a pregnant woman and a pregnant person.

I am a person though.