To ask you not to tolerate the term "pregnant people"

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It might seem harmless and kind but it is not harmless. I'm seeing the term alot at the moment due to the horrid state of affairs across the pond.

Pregnancy, abortion, menstruation, menopause. These are issues that affect women and reasons why men have sought to control us, to control our bodies. We are seen as vessels, chattels, playthings, property, servants, and then, when we can no longer get pregnant, as useless rubbish. All due to our biological function. If you tolerate language change so these things are seen as 'people' rights issues that affect both 'men' and women we lose the truthful and valid argument that bad and oppressive practices, laws, policy decisions etc, e.g. banning of abortion, are rooted in misogyny, which of course they are.

Abortion bans are because of misogyny. Especially in countries where there is no free maternal care, no statutory maternity leave or pay, no shits given about the children once they are born. This is a women's rights issue, a sex based one. And we, as a sex class, must never take any rights we have for granted.

Doesn’t that get you banned on here, or is it only the other way round that’s the problem?

Oh, I am a human absolutely. I am a female human. I am sick and tired of being treated like a second class citizen by the NHS. I have a title, just like the men.

"Hysteria"

Silly woman that I am. My wandering womb making me overly emotional eh?

@FemmeNatal

Probably 🙄

Lol @FemmeNatal who is anti choice but wants to make sure to call you a woman when she makes you give birth.

Referring to a pregnant woman as a pregnant person is like referring to a young black male as “boy.”

It may well be a word that is technically correct, but it comes with bagage and context which renders it offensive.

This. And conflating the use of inclusive language with the racist “all lives matter” is extremely distasteful. The phrase used here totally respects that the horror of the overturning of RvW affects one specific group; those people who can get pregnant.

If you’re a female person/woman it’s not your personhood that makes you menstruate, conceive a child, need antenatal care, possibly need miscarriage care or an abortion, it’s your womanhood. Don’t be obtuse.

This is the issue that I struggle with. You can’t use the term vagina as it’s triggering, yet getting pregnant and giving birth is okay.

If you were born female, and was suffering from BDD, pregnancy is the last thing on earth you would want to go through, which makes me believe that this is more about a lifestyle choice for some people.

Right OK...So the abortion ban is not a women's rights issue? If 'men' get pregnant it's not then is it? It's then a policy that affects 'everyone' hence move along folks, this is not sexism 101...

Do people on mn never get tired of just arguing all the time? What does that term actually do to you? Yourself? Has anyone ever argued terminology you’ve used about yourself? I’d say not. I feel sorry for all the people in the world struggling to figure out their place that have an extra layer of having people tell them they’re wrong and aren’t allowed use the terminology that makes them feel a bit better about themselves

And this is what you are getting your knickers in a twist over?

Honestly how many people di you really think this is affecting

Get your nose out of the daily mail

Why do you think “he” and “man” and “mankind” were the default pronouns and accepted legal terminology until quite recently?

Because women were considered just a kind of defective second class of “persons” who could easily be encompassed by the male pronoun as well as legally by male owners.

A long-standing and very successful argument against women being allowed to vote was that women, as inferiors, were legally absorbed into the male “personhood” of their owners. They didn’t need votes because men as the default “persons” could simply exercise the vote on their behalf.

As well as bodies we were only “persons” by virtue of being part of a default male personhood - not in our own right.

Get rid of “woman”, and we just become nothing more than the body-persons again - the “non-men”, an inferior flesh-container version of the proper default Person who is always Man.

Interesting use of the word 'hysteria' @DiscoBadgers, bearing in mind its origins and etymology. Quite ironic, in fact.

If anyone speaks to me about pregnant "people" I'll correct them, there's equality and then there's ridiculous.

This!

Woman. You find me to be an abhorrent woman

Honestly how many people di you really think this is affecting

Approximately 3.5 billion. Give or take.

It's how we've got males taking medals in women's sports and female athletes being forced to undress in front of an exposed knob, or lose their careers and sponsors. Because these intact males "are" women.

Words mean things. They're exclusionary by nature. Cat does not mean dog and that's why cats don't enter Crufts and dogs don't get centred in discussions about FIV.

I feel sorry for all the people in the world struggling to figure out their place that have an extra layer of having people tell them they’re wrong and aren’t allowed use the terminology that makes them feel a bit better about themselves

@stayathomer I'm struggling to decide who you are referring to here. Women would really like to be called women, it makes us feel a bit better about ourselves - and more importantly it enables us to define precisely how we are being oppressed and discriminated against - it is very frustrating to keep having people tell us we are wrong to use this word for ourselves. But that’s not what you meant, is it?

It's totally confusing to talk about people having a right to abortion, it makes it sound like you are including men who want their partner to have an abortion. That's exactly why we have invented more specific words like "women".

Why is it so terrible to offend trans people but perfectly OK to offend women?

It a woman dares say she's not OK with being described a certain way, she's vilified. Think JK Rowling. But if a trans person says they are not OK with being described a certain way, the powers that be bend over backwards to accommodate them at the expense of women.

Honestly if I was pregnant and any health care official described me as a womb carrier, pregnant person or whatever PC term is in vogue right now, that health care facility would be receiving a solicitors letter. Maybe if more women threatened legal action they wouldn't be so quick to discriminate against us.

We have to protect the word 'woman'. It's a sad state of affairs that we do but here we are. Not as defined by men, on their terms, invading our spaces and our freedoms.