To think people these days are very entitled?

[Poptart4]

I keep reading about people demanding high wages for jobs that require little or no skills or education. AIBU to think if you want more money than improve your skill set to get a higher paying job?

I've worked my fair share of shop and bar jobs, so I'm not putting people down who do these jobs. But when I wanted more money I did night courses (along side my shop work and looking after my kids) and used those qualifications to get an admin job which then led to promotions until I eventually worked my way up to a decent salary. It took years.

Demanding higher wages for jobs that are low paid because literally anyone could do them is an insult to people who have spent years in college to get a degree or years learning a trade or years working their way up the ladder.

Electricians, plumbers, lawyers, accountants etc are paid more because they have a certain skill set. Not just anyone can re-wire your house or defend you in court.

I just feel like people dont want to spend years putting time and effort into improving themselves, and that's fine but to then demand loads of money when they can't be arsed to put the effort in it takes to get a high paying job is the hight of entitlement.

"For me, the most entitled groups are people on disability benefits (especially when there is virtually nothing wrong with them.)"

Why is my disabled son entitled?

@GrinAndVomit

I’m not frothing at all. Just pointing out that op’s irritation isn’t about a random mum posting for jobs for her teen. It’s about those in ‘unimportant’ jobs and how they should just better themselves.

Agree. People don’t want to work anymore, too much free covid money, excuses on why they can’t and endless benefits.

If you're a younger person now, you can't afford a home, you probably won't get a state pension, the climate is in a bad way, the whole economic model is broken. People don't work shit jobs for the fun of it, only because they have to.

For me, the most entitled groups are people on disability benefits

Awaiting thread to be zapped in 3..2..

In my country (not England) carers are not on minimum wage, granted they don't get paid as much as they should
@Poptart4 what country is this? I’m genuinely interested.

Thank you to all the people who were able to join this debate and give constructive points no matter what side of the fence your on. Its given me alot to think about.

To the vile, bitter people who have to resort to personal insults perhaps you should work on fixing what makes you so miserable instead of attacking strangers on the Internet.

most of your post actually contradicts itself. Apparently simultaneously unqualified people shouldn't get paid as much as people with degrees, but people with degrees that you don't consider worth anything are entitled and some unqualified roles are worth more than roles you need a degree for... So that's as clear as mud then.

For me, the most entitled groups are people on disability benefits (especially when there is virtually nothing wrong with them)

Really? Because for me the most entitled groups include rich people caught out for tax evasion, CEO's raking in 600k plus a year whilst expecting their staff to take a pay cut, and companies like Tesco taking in 22 billion in profit and paying their workers minimum wages, and expecting the tax payers to subsidise those workers through benefits.

I mean I have a whole list of people who are entitled before I even get to someone on misclaiming disability benefits. And it is next to impossible to claim disability benefits when there is virtually nothing wrong with you. Which is why they are sending people out with terminal cancer to work, and why people are dying whilst waiting for their appeals.

Says the person who literally took to the internet to attack strangers with personal insults like 'can't be arsed' and 'entitled'....

50/50 on this. Maybe the roles were never paid enough in the first place and now people have the confidence to ask for more. Or possibly, people do just have very high expectations. Having only worked in places where there’s no negotiation of salary I can’t say with too much confidence.

Oh the delicious irony.

What ‘vile insults?’ Maybe you’re just not great at forward thinking or empathy to have to post on an online forum about ‘entitled’ people wanting a living wage. May I suggest bettering yourself with an online course?

Agree with this. The cost of living is going up, so it's inevitable. I wouldn't work a job that didn't pay me enough to live on, and if you are renting, that is much more than someone in their 60's who owns their own house and doesnt have kids. I'm not saying people should be paid according their outgoings, but it should be enough for a basic standard of living.

I expect we will get a lot of employers on here like you who aren't happy about their staff wanting more money and calling them entitled, but it's the employers that are entitled if they want to pay staff peanuts for unpleasant jobs while the live the high life.

Ireland, our minimum wage is €10.50 per hour. My friend gets €16.50per hour and €18 on Sundays.

Different companies may pay lower rates some pay more.

Being a carer is a skilled job even though some people seem to think its not. My friend has done several courses and has alot of experience. She loves her job even though it can be difficult. I often think it takes a special person to be a carer. I have alot of respect for the work they do.

@Kris02 Your post at 15.29 is a fucking disgrace. Shame on you. Vile vile VILE!

Yes.

The project managers, programmers and bankers were tearing their hair out when their cleaners, hairdressers and childcare became unavailable. At least the Deliveroo drivers, warehouse staff for online shopping and delivery drivers worked harder.

I think Covid should have opened peoples eyes to how some “low skilled” jobs are absolutely key to our society functioning and therefore why shouldn’t they push for higher wages?

Not only that but since Brexit supply and demand is a lot more in favour of workers in these jobs, therefore they have scope/leverage to expect more.

A lot of industries are having staffing crises and struggling to retain staff. Brexit and Covid at the same time a perfect storm (we only actually left the EU in 2020).

Also it's the fact we've just had a decade of austerity. The Tories won an election on a promise of levelling up. The sell on austerity was it would end and wages would go up, not significantly down in real terms.

@Poptart4
thank you, I don’t know how good €16.50 per hour is in Ireland but it’s definitely bigger then minimum wage. I agree that carer needs a lot of skills, they are just different from the skills surgeon/chef/ CEO needs.
I’ve read some time ago that your salary should reflect how replaceable you are. The more difficult is to replace you for whatever reasons (high level of education, special talent, risks or unpopularity of the job) the more you should get. I don’t think it works literally but it’s the right approach imo.

From 2017 to 2019 a colleague of mine seriously exploited their romanian nanny, to such a level where she was working 40hr weeks with two toddlers and sleeping in a hostel for women in london because she didnt earn enough for the 'threshold' required by any london lettings agent. It was minimum wage. She rented rooms before, but they were 700/mo at least and she was really struggling and sad.

Today, she has returned to romania and my colleague finds himself working from home with his wife also trying to wfh and 2 toddlers creating chaos. Their income has halved or worse as they are so tied up with the children, and nannies in london are rarer than water in the sahara. By treating that nanny poorly in 2019, refusing to raise her pay from 9 to 11 pounds an hour, they now find their income reduced by a good £50,000pa.

Moral of the tale - in 2019 they could easily have cared, could have raised her pay, could have helped her standard of living... But, instead they bought a very nice Audi 4x4 (now gathering dust) for 40 grand plus, grumbled, gave the nanny a lecture about 'loyalty' and came out with sinilar claptrap on here... If she wanted such a pay rise, why didnt she consider the Norland nanny course? (as if that's free or accessible to a hard working woman who had never heard of Norland, and still had no proper home?)

Today they are right royally stuffed regarding their fledgling business. The toddlers are stroppy 5 and 6yr olds, and the days of £9 per hour nannies in central london are long gone.

I remembered then their anger, indeed incredulous irritation, that this 'girl' had dared ask them for 2 pounds more per hour.... Who was she to do this? Their argument was always 'get more qualifications' to be worth more (That old chestnut)...

Boy have they paid for that nasty sentiment. Good 😁

@dia Nice to hear a story with a happy ending.

Actually I’ve changed my mind completely about your post, OP - you are targeting the wrong group and looking down not up.

up at the CEOs etc on a disproportionate salary to their workforce and a culture that cuts everything so thin we can talk about disability claimants in the same breath. It’s all wrong

EVERYONE is entitled to be able to live their lives with full bellies and a warm house OP. It doesn't matter what job they do.

You would soon be whinging if your bins weren't collected or your shopping wasn't delivered. Yanno supermarkets who rely on the cleaning staff to stay open 🙄

I know all of it has been said but your pompous attitude sucks OP.

I actually think op is more ignorant/resentful than anything else. Reminds me of people saying ‘why should they scrap student debt? I had to pay mine!’ Some people think because they had it hard others should. Others realise that any change helps and others shouldn’t have to suffer and struggle because you did.

I've worked in plenty bar and shop jobs too, and I didn't want better pay because I couldn't be bothered "bettering myself", I felt like I didn't get paid enough to listen to stuck up goady people putting me down and telling me to "better" myself while they threw a whole tantrum about their coupons being expired or something. Plus you put up with a lot in bar jobs.. abuse, fights, nasty people who can't handle their drink, vomit. So sorry you're offended that some people are "entitled" enough to think not being able to pay their rent on their shit wage isn't worth that hassle.

If everyone improved their skills to do higher paid jobs, who would do the lower paid ones? You still need retail staff, etc.