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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
wellhelloitsme · 25/06/2022 11:11

Backtothefuture1908 · 25/06/2022 11:03

If your child is CEV why wasn't they given the chicken pox vaccine on the NHS?

There's a handy function where you can read all the OP's posts only.

I'd suggest using it in future as she has answered this repeatedly!!

Nanny0gg · 25/06/2022 11:12

Backtothefuture1908 · 25/06/2022 11:03

If your child is CEV why wasn't they given the chicken pox vaccine on the NHS?

They've been vaccinated...

For the millionth time...

(why hasn't MN included the facepalm emoji?)

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 11:15

All we need now is someone to suggest a weird recipe involving mangoes as a cure for illness and I’ll be convinced MN has morphed into Facebook.

I’ve never had to use the word “vaccinated” so much in my puff.

OP posts:
wellhelloitsme · 25/06/2022 11:19

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 11:15

All we need now is someone to suggest a weird recipe involving mangoes as a cure for illness and I’ll be convinced MN has morphed into Facebook.

I’ve never had to use the word “vaccinated” so much in my puff.

And an MLM hunbot to complete to batshit bingo!

Sorry people haven't even bothered to read your posts OP you must be so frustrated repeating yourself so many times.

IWentAwayIStayedAway · 25/06/2022 11:29

just awful @JustLyra hope everyone felling better. but some of the comments in this post show such a lack of comprehension. I am really not the smartest person but I'm feeling like im PhD level after reading some of the comments. @JustLyra you have the patience of a Saint explains and explaining and explaining yourself and delighted you've been recognised to avoid d1ck parents!

JacquelineCarlyle · 25/06/2022 11:54

BMW6 · 24/06/2022 09:26

Frankly I'd be telling them to Fuck Off out of your lives forever.

Completely unforgivable.

This!

RandomMess · 25/06/2022 12:02

What's soooooo irritating is that they could have rearranged the sleepover and had it has a 2nd birthday treat 🤬

lljkk · 25/06/2022 12:14

Sounds pretty easy to let the friendship fizzle out, to quietly discourage it.

I would encourage you to not suggest to your DC that they should resent the family'/child for what happened or to understand your strong anger & distrust at the other family (at this point). That won't achieve anything good.

Bonjovispjs · 25/06/2022 12:30

Omg, I've just came back to this thread after reading it yesterday and I can't believe people are STILL asking OP why she hasn't had her kids vaccinated, sorry you are having to deal with such stupidity OP, both in real life and on here.

NotLongNow12 · 25/06/2022 12:31

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:33

They know how ill she was. That’s what made the Mum talk to another mum, because she felt guilty. She’s completely avoided me since - she hasn’t done pick up once (it was usually her) and if she drops off she stays in the car.

The Dad, who keeps trying to chat at pick up, just seems fixated on “but if we didn’t know the same could have happened”.

If my DD didn’t love the activity so much, or there was another one the same, I’d move her and then cut them off totally.

But they DID know. That's the whole point. Him saying that is just ridiculous!
I'd be fuming too and wouldn't trust them again really.

billy1966 · 25/06/2022 13:58

OP,

Actions have consequences and you do not owe their child your daughters friendship.

These are unforgivably selfish people and I wouldn't hesitate in explaining that in language appropriate to your daughter, that they are not people you want her or your family around.

No hesitation whatsoever.

If I heard of someone doing this to another family, too bloody right I would judge the parents, and not want them in my circle.

One of my children's close friends has just finished chemo, and the care that is being taken around him is so great.

It is just what decent people do.

I think those parents are a thundering disgrace.

It's hugely regrettable that you have come across such a huge lack of comprehension and literacy skills on this thread.

Makes for tedious reading.

Scottishskifun · 25/06/2022 14:10

I understand why your angry but chickenpox is the most contagious before the spots appear so if your DD spent any time with their DD then she would have already been exposed it's why it travels like wildfire through nursery and schools.
Obviously it's still contagious at the point of spots too and it was a chappy thing to do but it is one of those illnesses which is impossible not to be exposed to at some point regardless due to the contagious period

wellhelloitsme · 25/06/2022 14:31

Scottishskifun · 25/06/2022 14:10

I understand why your angry but chickenpox is the most contagious before the spots appear so if your DD spent any time with their DD then she would have already been exposed it's why it travels like wildfire through nursery and schools.
Obviously it's still contagious at the point of spots too and it was a chappy thing to do but it is one of those illnesses which is impossible not to be exposed to at some point regardless due to the contagious period

This is absolutely irrelevant though. It doesn't matter that they could have hypothetically picked it up before the party but didn't.

The parents did know their child had chickenpox and did know OP has a vulnerable child and that they request they are told of any illnesses before play dates / parties specifically so they can protect their child to the best of their ability.

They actively chose not to disclose information they knew put one of OP's children at risk.

That child ended up in hospital as a direct result of their choice not to disclose.

As a PP said, you could get hit by a car any time but if someone hit you on purpose they wouldn't be any less responsible.

BeenHereForYonkyDoodles · 25/06/2022 14:53

Awful awful selfish bastard people. YANBU at all in a million years.

Cut all contact. The bastards.

I hope your girl has made a full recovery.

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 17:43

Scottishskifun · 25/06/2022 14:10

I understand why your angry but chickenpox is the most contagious before the spots appear so if your DD spent any time with their DD then she would have already been exposed it's why it travels like wildfire through nursery and schools.
Obviously it's still contagious at the point of spots too and it was a chappy thing to do but it is one of those illnesses which is impossible not to be exposed to at some point regardless due to the contagious period

She hadn’t spent any time with my DD for over a week.

And that doesn’t actually excuse knowing on that day and deciding to spend one-on-one time with my DD

OP posts:
WheelchairWoes · 25/06/2022 18:15

YANBU I'd go no contact and I'd probably warn people who were friends with both WHY I went NC. Because if they do it to you? There's a chance they'll do it to someone else and cause a death

beallrightdahlin · 25/06/2022 18:21

How dare they?!

DarthTater3 · 25/06/2022 18:24

Fuming on your behalf. You are defo not being unreasonable, you can’t trust them.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 25/06/2022 18:30

ClocksGoingBackwards · 25/06/2022 09:49

Your feelings about the other family are entirely justified. They behaved incredibly selfishly and I can understand them not wanting their birthday child to be disappointed but they did the wrong thing.

I don’t think it would be fair on your dd3 or her friend for you to cut off their friendship though. None of this is their fault, and even if the parents were in the wrong, your dds friendship clearly matters to their dd, and they don’t deserve to have that taken away from them.

Presumably DD3’s younger sister is more important to her than the friendship, it will be far less traumatic for DD3 to lose a friend than to lose her sister due to a friend’s selfishness. I would absolutely be doing everything I could to cut off the friendship in the OP’s shoes as how could you take the risk of the same thing happening again in the future?

AviatorMama · 25/06/2022 18:35

Your child was hospitalised for 6 days because of them. YANBU! I would have lost my shit at the dad!!!!

Joysutty · 25/06/2022 18:41

Ignorant then obviously to your "request" to be informed. Before Covid19, 10 years ago I got the shingles (chicken pox type of virus). The doctor told me to cancel our uk holiday that we were meeting my mother in law at a hotel in a few days time. Reasons Due to being close to any pregnant lady or elderly person with a low immunity. I was gutted but at the same time respected what I was told.

Blowthemandown · 25/06/2022 18:46

Wow @JustLyra - if I had said ‘but I really, really want friend X (your DD3) to come over’ my Mum would have said ‘so you care more about yourself than friend X’s sister who could be very ill if her sister catches CP and passes it on?’ And would let me stew feeling guilty for putting myself first. I think that’s called parenting …

Weepah · 25/06/2022 18:51

I guess this is is a sign I've been living the States for too long but all I could think was why aren't all these kids vaxxed for CP?

Liesovertheocean · 25/06/2022 18:53

No-one needs anyone that selfish in their lives. You are absolutely in no way BU. They’re horrendous.

BossyFlossie76 · 25/06/2022 18:54

That other parent is dreadful, for sure! Really unfair- so sorry you all went through that.

But, I’m not sure you’re going to find what you need on this thread? Your comments are understandably angry and defensive, and I’m not sure this is constructive?

We are all entitled to do things a bit differently (for example, I will no longer be testing my children for Covid if they are asymptomatic- I have my reasons for that- it’s my legitimate decision as their parent), but very sadly for you, you are at the mercy of other family’s decisions and actions.

This must all be tough- and maybe talking to someone in a more structured way, rather than this thread would serve you best?

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