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Mick Lynch

575 replies

KangFang · 23/06/2022 13:08

Anyone else here loving his work?

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JassyRadlett · 23/06/2022 15:46

It means it’s unreliable as a bellweather of public opinion. On this issue too I should think. Most workers out there know perfectly well they will never get anything like the pay rise lynch is arguing for without changing jobs, and their sympathy will be limited - his so called plausible manner notwithstanding

I had half-expected to see that in the polling, @TullyApplebottom, and was quite surprised that the only age demographic that doesn't doesn't overall think the strikes are justified was the over 55s - so the demographic where the majority aren't in work.

We may be at a turning point in labour relations reflective of the idea that wedge politics may be losing some of its effectiveness and that a very large number of people feel screwed over and can feel solidarity with others in a similar situation.

What happens if teachers strike will be the real test I think. The deterioration in teachers' pay over the last decade has been a scandal, and we somehow wonder why we struggle to recruit and retain good teachers.

ChristinaXYZ · 23/06/2022 15:47

Some of the interviewing has been poor but dear God - the chaos caused. I know people with kids sitting A levels and others trying to get to cities for major hospital appointments. It is awful. Most people are not getting pay rises anywhere near inflation. The RMT are really over-stepping. I know the average is bumped up by the over-paid drivers and many trained staff get much less but that's an internal discussion. Freeze drivers pay perhaps and help the rest? But not to the tune of 7%! Not when the system fails to make much money and has to be bailed out by the government and they still have working practices going back to the 1950s with 6 people to change a light bulb. And when they are moaning about redundancies and more people apply for voluntary redundancy than they have redundancies for! I've no time for the RMT.

The trouble is with train strikes - there always seems to be something and people stop listening. The strikes about removing guards from trains - that I could get behind - but it is lost in the noise of me, me, me grumble for more pay.

I've a good deal of sympathy for those on or just above minimum wage pay - the government does need to dish out short term help to those people re fuel etc and they have started to do that. But the rest of us just have to wait this out - it is the price we are collectively paying for all the money spent by the country during covid. The greater the pay rises, for any of us, the longer this will be so.

ApplesandBunions · 23/06/2022 15:48

I had half-expected to see that in the polling, @TullyApplebottom, and was quite surprised that the only age demographic that doesn't doesn't overall think the strikes are justified was the over 55s - so the demographic where the majority aren't in work

I wasn't. People under 55 are more likely to use trains too iirc, though I forget where I read that.

GreenLunchBox · 23/06/2022 15:49

TullyApplebottom · 23/06/2022 14:01

“Fascistic”?
i seem to recall a democratic election in 2019 … did I fall asleep and miss the coup?

It sounds like you did

Wrongkindofovercoat · 23/06/2022 15:58

He's winning supporters because he's knowledgeable about his brief, he's focused on getting his message across, and he answers questions without resorting to flannel.

Compared to the obviously scripted ( not by them ) answers of politicians, it is refreshing to see someone who answers questions with intelligence and knowledge. Agree or disagree with him and his Union's stance, he comes across very well indeed.

LakieLady · 23/06/2022 16:01

I think he's a breath of fresh air. Calm, intelligent, articulate, mastered his brief and seems to have balls of steel.

I've no idea if he's a Labour party member, but if he fancies a stint in Westminster, they should find a safe or marginal consituency in need of a candidate and invite local members to nominate him.

JennyWren87 · 23/06/2022 16:05

Love it!

I absolutely adore how calm he is and how he ANSWERS QUESTIONS IN INTERVIEWS!! Unheard of these days

JassyRadlett · 23/06/2022 16:08

ApplesandBunions · 23/06/2022 15:48

I had half-expected to see that in the polling, @TullyApplebottom, and was quite surprised that the only age demographic that doesn't doesn't overall think the strikes are justified was the over 55s - so the demographic where the majority aren't in work

I wasn't. People under 55 are more likely to use trains too iirc, though I forget where I read that.

I think I'd fallen in to the 'strikes are unpopular with the people inconvenienced by them' narrative without actually checking whether there was a basis for it.

LEnferCestLesAutres · 23/06/2022 16:09

He is very good at dismantling the Tory bullshitters' scripted lines - he pretty well eviscerated Jonathan Gullis and Robert Jenrick. Rather pleasing to see.

IcedPurple · 23/06/2022 16:09

KangFang · 23/06/2022 13:29

Kay Burley was ridiculous.

Kay Burley is always ridiculous.

Nasty person and rubbish interviewer.

cantheydothisreally · 23/06/2022 16:10

Fantastic speaker

Not ruffled by goady comments

Great advocate Smile

DeadButDelicious · 23/06/2022 16:11

Love him. It's so refreshing to hear someone actually answer questions. I didn't realize how much I'd missed it.

He's going to be on question time tonight.

JassyRadlett · 23/06/2022 16:13

The RMT are really over-stepping. I know the average is bumped up by the over-paid drivers and many trained staff get much less but that's an internal discussion. Freeze drivers pay perhaps and help the rest?

But drivers aren't part of the RMT strike, are they? I know there are local/regional ASLEF strikes but I'm not sure why their pay is relevant to the national strike?

Witchofthedales · 23/06/2022 16:15

He's great!

NellieJean · 23/06/2022 16:17

He’s given up having breakfast at home as he’s eating the likes of Kay Burley etc instead.
He is on Question Time tonight. The govt is sending Rachel McLean, I don’t like bloodsports but I’ll make an exception.

SofiaSoFar · 23/06/2022 16:18

lemmein · 23/06/2022 15:12

I like anyone who riles the right wing media and posters - more ML's please 😊

That's as pathetic as the Brexiteers who openly said they didn't care what damage they did as long as they 'won'.

TullyApplebottom · 23/06/2022 16:19

GreenLunchBox · 23/06/2022 15:49

It sounds like you did

be serious

ClaudineClare · 23/06/2022 16:19

NellieJean · 23/06/2022 16:17

He’s given up having breakfast at home as he’s eating the likes of Kay Burley etc instead.
He is on Question Time tonight. The govt is sending Rachel McLean, I don’t like bloodsports but I’ll make an exception.

😆

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 23/06/2022 16:22

I was In tears over the way he tore down Piers Morgan over that bloody puppet. He's amazing 👏 😂😂😂

StellaGibson2022 · 23/06/2022 16:24

ClaudineClare · 23/06/2022 13:52

The country is on its knees right now. Nothing to do with the unions, everything to do with our corrupt and increasingly fascistic government.

@ClaudineClare thank god you said this! The country is is on its knees and it’s not caused by the Unions!!!

ClaudineClare · 23/06/2022 16:24

Most people are not getting pay rises anywhere near inflation

Which is why more people should join a union and collectively bargain for improved pay and conditions.

cantheydothisreally · 23/06/2022 16:25

Well said StellaGibson2022 Smile

Great name by the way Wink

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 23/06/2022 16:25

@ClaudineClare

Greta Thunberg wasn't much older. If she had wanted to, I am sure she could have encouraged children to bring the country to a standstill.

User135644 · 23/06/2022 16:26

TullyApplebottom · 23/06/2022 15:16

It’s always worth remembering that if MN was representative of the country at large, we’d have had Labour governments more or less forever. In fact we probably wouldn’t have elections at all - who needs them when there’s so obviously only one correct result?
reality looks a little different 😏

Comes down to demographics though. The core Tory voter is pension age. Nothing against pensioners but the average MN poster is not a pensioner.

Tories have a huge deficit with under 40s.

SofiaSoFar · 23/06/2022 16:26

JassyRadlett · 23/06/2022 14:49

Hmm. Your refusal to actually engage with the substance of any of the points raised on the thread while simultaneously claiming that people don't dare air right wing views makes me wonder if you've deeply confused the concept of 'not allowed' with the idea of 'allowed to be questioned and challenged.'

Why not engage on the issues?

Hold on a minute. The premise of this thread was around whether we agree with the OP regarding the sun shining out of Mick Lynch's rear passage.

There must be a bit missing where we're now accountable to you if we don't agree.

FFS.

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