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Denied boarding due to excess alcohol. What happens next when abroad?

396 replies

Cheeseandlobster · 22/06/2022 20:47

I will try to keep the details vague and I know this isn't an aibu but I am posting for traffic

I flew home from holiday recently. At check in there was a woman in a wheelchair who looked unwell travelling with her dp and 2 young children. She was at our gate lying on the floor and her partner said she was drunk and had been the whole week they were away. He said he had had enough. The gate staff asked cabin crew who denied the woman boarding. At this stage her dp was openly crying and people were being really kind helping him to source spare nappies for his youngest and giving water etc. One woman in particular was being incredibly kind and helpful.

However the situation has been playing on my mind. She told cabin crew he was violent to her. The helpful lady said she had witnessed the woman physically going for her dp. But she did have a bruise on her face which he said was caused by falling over drunk. She was also verbally aggressive to staff.

So her dp and children boarded and she was left behind. Her dp said she had money but I don't know how much. I am certain insurance won't pay out for a hotel etc but she was obviously very vulnerable and it has been playing on my mind. I don't know whether the airline would have had a duty of care but the last I saw of her was her slumped sideways in the wheelchair at the gate. Violent or not she must have been very frightened and I don't know whether the airline would have looked after her. Does anyone know whether they would have ensured she was safe?

OP posts:
FootieMama · 23/06/2022 22:31

She could have been drugged by him. To take the children, maybe? Who would leave the mother of your children in another country completely vunerable? It's odd

MichelleScarn · 23/06/2022 22:34

FootieMama · 23/06/2022 22:31

She could have been drugged by him. To take the children, maybe? Who would leave the mother of your children in another country completely vunerable? It's odd

OK..... what drugs has he used and where did he get them?

FootieMama · 23/06/2022 22:48

How would I know? I heard some prescription drugs when mixed with alcohol can make people very get drunk with very little alcohol for example. I only know that in the immense majority of cases men are the abusers. And I can't imagine leaving someone like that if they were a family travelling together.

MichelleScarn · 23/06/2022 22:50

So he's drugged her and forced her to drink the alcohol?

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 23/06/2022 22:50

FootieMama · 23/06/2022 22:31

She could have been drugged by him. To take the children, maybe? Who would leave the mother of your children in another country completely vunerable? It's odd

There is no indication that this is the case.

Stop making stuff up.

Again if it was him I bet you would have no issue with the father of her children being left in another country vunerable.

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 23/06/2022 22:52

FootieMama · 23/06/2022 22:48

How would I know? I heard some prescription drugs when mixed with alcohol can make people very get drunk with very little alcohol for example. I only know that in the immense majority of cases men are the abusers. And I can't imagine leaving someone like that if they were a family travelling together.

Just stop it.

Men can be abused too and posters on here have said and given instances of.

saraclara · 23/06/2022 22:59

I have known two abusive women. One alcoholic and abusive, one just abusive. One forty years ago, one just a decade or so ago. Both husbands just put up with it, and never took any action against them. I can see why, given the response here.

It makes me so fucking angry that SO many women on here simply won't countenance that a woman can be at fault in any situation where a man is also in the picture. It's embarrassing and it's shameful that so many of my fellow women will put logic and rational thought asideand make up any old bollocks rather than accept that a woman might be in the wrong, and that a man can be a victim.

pixie5121 · 23/06/2022 23:01

saraclara · 23/06/2022 22:59

I have known two abusive women. One alcoholic and abusive, one just abusive. One forty years ago, one just a decade or so ago. Both husbands just put up with it, and never took any action against them. I can see why, given the response here.

It makes me so fucking angry that SO many women on here simply won't countenance that a woman can be at fault in any situation where a man is also in the picture. It's embarrassing and it's shameful that so many of my fellow women will put logic and rational thought asideand make up any old bollocks rather than accept that a woman might be in the wrong, and that a man can be a victim.

I don't think a SINGLE poster has said that, but go on attacking the strawman...it's entertaining.

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 23/06/2022 23:05

Yes abused men, hilarious. Glad you find male victims of abuse entertaining.

Seriously.

saraclara · 23/06/2022 23:13

pixie5121 · 23/06/2022 23:01

I don't think a SINGLE poster has said that, but go on attacking the strawman...it's entertaining.

Many women on this thread have done exactly that. Found the most ridiculous reasons based on absolutely nothing, to find the man to be the abuser in the situation in the OP. Anything other than take the events at face value, which they absolutely WOULD have done had the drunken party been the father.

ihatethefuckingmuffin · 23/06/2022 23:49

pixie5121 · 23/06/2022 23:01

I don't think a SINGLE poster has said that, but go on attacking the strawman...it's entertaining.

Then go back and re read the thread. There’s more than one poster who has mentioned the ridiculous idea that he must have drugged her for example.

Lots of posts that do an incredible job of victim blaming when even the op says that another witness saw an altercation that the drunk woman started

ihatethefuckingmuffin · 23/06/2022 23:54

FootieMama · 23/06/2022 22:31

She could have been drugged by him. To take the children, maybe? Who would leave the mother of your children in another country completely vunerable? It's odd

What is odd about wanting to take your children home rather than hang around unnecessarily with their drunk parent?

If she hadn’t drunk booze, spiked or not early in the morning then cabin crew wouldn’t have refused her onto the plane.

She was left in an airport with lots of people around, security and staff, with cash. Not exactly left in the middle of no where with no money to get home with.

Or do you think that the staff should have made an exception and allowed a drunk aggressive passenger on the plane?

of this was strange behaviour she could have easily asked for medical help not be aggressive towards staff don’t you think?

BadNomad · 24/06/2022 00:00

If she had been in that mess all week, I can see why he would be over it and just want to get home with the kids. She knew they were flying home that day and still got wasted, so what would stop her doing it again that night? It's just a waste of time and money, and unfair on the kids, to keep them all waiting for her to be sober enough to fly.

NewPanDrawer · 24/06/2022 00:19

OMFG, this thread really is an eye opener.

Mirw · 24/06/2022 01:32

Men get abused too and rarely get sympathy. None of you know what happened. If woman was drunk she might have been picked up by the police and held in a cell until sober, which is what happens in UK airports. So many bored people with great imaginations...

SmartCarDriver · 24/06/2022 02:24

@pixie5121 I don't think a SINGLE poster has said that, but go on attacking the strawman...it's entertaining.

It's embarrassing that you're unable to not read and comprehend the posts where ridiculous scenarios are being made up, to blame the man?

You can't see a SINGLE one?

WotTheDickens · 24/06/2022 02:47

Why is everyone assuming the partner was telling the truth?
The woman could have been a diabetic going into an episode of insulin shock. That presents itself very similar to drunkenness. Or she could have had her drink spiked.
Perhaps the man kidnapped the children and did god knows what with them!

WotTheDickens · 24/06/2022 02:50

Aha, I have just RTFT. Great minds and all that!

WotTheDickens · 24/06/2022 02:50

similarly

SmartCarDriver · 24/06/2022 06:34

WotTheDickens · 24/06/2022 02:47

Why is everyone assuming the partner was telling the truth?
The woman could have been a diabetic going into an episode of insulin shock. That presents itself very similar to drunkenness. Or she could have had her drink spiked.
Perhaps the man kidnapped the children and did god knows what with them!

Or she was just drunk?

x2boys · 24/06/2022 07:04

saraclara · 23/06/2022 22:59

I have known two abusive women. One alcoholic and abusive, one just abusive. One forty years ago, one just a decade or so ago. Both husbands just put up with it, and never took any action against them. I can see why, given the response here.

It makes me so fucking angry that SO many women on here simply won't countenance that a woman can be at fault in any situation where a man is also in the picture. It's embarrassing and it's shameful that so many of my fellow women will put logic and rational thought asideand make up any old bollocks rather than accept that a woman might be in the wrong, and that a man can be a victim.

Quite ,typical mumsnet ,women drunk and obnoxious and unable to look after her children ,but somehow it's her husband, s fault .

ldontWanna · 24/06/2022 07:10

WotTheDickens · 24/06/2022 02:47

Why is everyone assuming the partner was telling the truth?
The woman could have been a diabetic going into an episode of insulin shock. That presents itself very similar to drunkenness. Or she could have had her drink spiked.
Perhaps the man kidnapped the children and did god knows what with them!

Because it's possible. It's not that outlandish a scenario.

BadNomad · 24/06/2022 07:17

Yes, the best thing to do when you want to kidnap children is to drug their mother then drag her to the airport where she can make a big scene and draw attention to your kidnapping. 🙄

Next people will be suggesting he used invisible strings to make it look like she was physically attacking him.

SmartCarDriver · 24/06/2022 07:20

BadNomad · 24/06/2022 07:17

Yes, the best thing to do when you want to kidnap children is to drug their mother then drag her to the airport where she can make a big scene and draw attention to your kidnapping. 🙄

Next people will be suggesting he used invisible strings to make it look like she was physically attacking him.

Yep, after they've been away on a holiday, to make it look really real!

notimagain · 24/06/2022 07:34

ldontWanna · 24/06/2022 07:10

Because it's possible. It's not that outlandish a scenario.

Having worked formerly as a crewmember on aircraft for a few decades and been made aware of, and sometimes become directly involved in events during boarding I'd agree in theory almost anything might be possible, but you have to stay within the bounds of reasonableness.

However, and unfortunately, the reality is it does appear that some passengers of either sex, travelling alone or as a group, even as part of a family group, can present themselves at the door utterly unfit to travel due to intoxication.