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Does my partners ex need medical help

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Maisydaisy56 · 22/06/2022 04:46

I posted on here that my partners ex was harrassing me by sending texts, emails etc. You guys said to get police involved which I did. She was quiet after that. She then started on my partner. Suicide threats (she's being doing that for over 20 years!), calls at all hours, emails.

Yesterday following some weird messages from her he agreed to meet up with her. He called me later and said he'd spent most of the day trying to keep her calm. She made him take a selfie of them laughing and happy and send it to me - it really upset me but he's explained why it was sent. Then she drove him to my house (from which she's banned) and make me come to the front door so she could see what I looked at (didn't work as I kept back from the door).

Finally at 10 last night I thought I'd try to call assuming he was home and to see how things went. He was still at hers and I could hear her screaming out my name - she sounded as if she'd totally lost it. She called me later and shouted 'f..c off butch'. I'm now waiting for more messages , calls etc and I'll have no choice but to call the police again and this time they'll arrest her

I now agree with him that she has mental health issues and desperately needs help. My question is where do we go from here - can he get help for her? Despite the fact they've not been together for years I still can't be with him at family events etc. I'm at the point of thinking I can't do this any more but I love the guy more than I can say and I feel so desperately sorry that he's trying to deal with this.

What on earth do we do if she won't get help?

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Philisophigal · 22/06/2022 04:55

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MRex · 22/06/2022 05:00

This all sounds very odd, particularly the selfie. He's letting her restart the relationship on her own mind by going along with her requests, which is bound to lead to upset if he pulls back at any point. He needs to inform her friends and family that she isn't in a good way, leave her numbers for Samaritans and Mind and then stop getting involved. If she threatens suicide then call police.

It may make sense for you to back away if he continues this behaviour, this man does not appear to be over his ex but rather he is actively trying to stay enmeshed in her life. Relationships don't need spare people in them.

Name99 · 22/06/2022 05:01

Yes why on earth is he pandering to this?

Unanananana · 22/06/2022 05:05

Cut your losses.

He sounds like he is loving the drama and his ex. Do you want to be second best forever?

Eviebeans · 22/06/2022 05:09

How long have you been with your partner
And why can't you be together at family events?

OneFrenchEgg · 22/06/2022 05:12

Well she has a lot of power here - made him take a selfie and send it, made you come to the door, stops you coming to family events.
If she's a danger to you call the police, if she's a danger to herself call the police.
Otherwise you and him need to block and move on. Sounds like for some reason (sex?) he's not up for doing that.

readingismycardio · 22/06/2022 05:15

I'd cut my losses too. He seems way too involved and unwilling to move on. She shouldn't be his responsibility or yours.

HollowTalk · 22/06/2022 05:17

I'd get the hell out of that relationship.

UserError012345 · 22/06/2022 05:21

You sound lovely OP.

But it's HER mental health and HER responsibility to help herself. There are lots of people / agencies / orgs that can help her.

Im not sure there's much you can do.

Do they have children together ? Is that why communication is still open between them ?

ShandaLear · 22/06/2022 05:21

He’s choosing to engage with her. You need to block her on everything. He needs to block her on everything. Call the police if she’s harassing either of you, or if she’s threatening suicide. Stop giving her attention. Why aren’t you allowed to go to events?

clpsmum · 22/06/2022 05:28

ShandaLear · 22/06/2022 05:21

He’s choosing to engage with her. You need to block her on everything. He needs to block her on everything. Call the police if she’s harassing either of you, or if she’s threatening suicide. Stop giving her attention. Why aren’t you allowed to go to events?

This

Your whole situation sounds really odd and your partner is enabling her

Scarydinosaurs · 22/06/2022 05:33

Why hasn’t your partner blocked her?

Marvellousmadness · 22/06/2022 05:34

Sounds like your partner has never chosen you as his partner. He is still attached to her. And he still goes along with her animosity towards you.

Police wont arrest her for cursing at you. Your partner spends all his time with her because he WANTs to. He doesnt want you at the family meetings as he isnt detached from ex. And probably never will.

Leave him asap

girlmom21 · 22/06/2022 05:38

She sounds quite unwell but he's the problem here. He's basically emotionally abusing you on her say so? Tell him to go fuck himself and never darken your door again.

BingeBitch · 22/06/2022 05:41

Very very odd that he’s spent the whole day and night with her and allowing her to ‘force’ him into doing strange stuff. Driving him to your house? Laughing selfie?

Hes taking you for a mug

AnonymousMizs · 22/06/2022 05:47

He can't save her OP, neither can you. Time for an honest talk with him I think - given he has been engaging it's likely that a final message is required so that she can be in no doubt. I would suggest along the lines of
Dear X,
On reflection I was unwise to come over. To be clear, my intention was to support you. Our relationship ended (insert how long ago) and I have moved on. I am unable to offer any further support - whether in person, by text/phone etc... - and I would be grateful if you could also stop contacting my new partner. We are now both going to block your number(s) and email(s). Further contact will be reported to the police as harassment. I wish you all the best for the future.
Then do exactly that. Be prepared that she will escalate and quite possibly turn up - in which case an upstairs window is your friend to be able to ask her to leave without opening the door. Failure to leave, request police and tell her that you have.
If your DP is unwilling to take this route, or a similarly strong stance, then I would think carefully about whether you want to stay in this relationship because whilever he is engaging with her he is enabling her and this drama will continue.

Clymene · 22/06/2022 05:50

Is he still at her house?

LicoricePizza · 22/06/2022 06:15

@Maisydaisy56

Don’t know how long they were together but for your relationship to have any future you need to sit down & talk through the realities of him going NC with her. Even when she threatens self harm, acts out, makes demands, causes chaos. You need to go through each senario & where he would ordinarily feel compelled to step in & (rescue or save her) get him to play out what would actually happen if he didn’t. Who would respond? What would it mean if he left her to it? What would he feel if she did harm herself? How much guilt or emotion would he feel or responsibility if he did not intervene & stuck to boundaries??

Play it out & get him to be the one to come up with who would intervene etc not you. Test how able he would be able to stick to that. Ie faith in the knowledge that she is not his responsibility. Willingness on his part to try. If anything bad happens to her that’s not his fault. If she kicks off & causes damage somewhere he is not responsible for calming her down etc. ie the police, crisis mh team, family are.

How able will he be to resist her demands? Calls? What would he do if he sees her number calling? Unless no DC he should block. Which family member can he also cut off as they may have passed the buck of her onto him as his responsibility. He needs to hand her back telling them she is vulnerable but he can no longer be called upon to help.

He sounds caught up in a cycle of being manipulated by her (that’s not say she doesn’t suffer from real mh issues).
Or he may be caught trying to save or fix her but got burned out & is doing it out of a mix of obligation, habit & guilt fear that he has no alternative but to.

If he’s truly serious about you & your future he needs to properly take on board how much he’s got to stop responding, and take accountability for how much he’s actually enabling her behaviour. If his guilt/responsibility/fear/care for her won’t let him - either seek help together for him to work on putting in boundaries & sticking to them - regardless of what could be very unpleasant circumstances, or try to take a step back & look at the situation completely objectively & work out if he is actually capable or if he’s too enmeshed to do so fully. If so then walk away because this will be your future.

You say you agree Now that she does have mh issues. Does that mean you initially dismissed as you’ve never witnessed before & didn’t realise how serious it was?
Does the mh aspect him make him feel he can’t fully walk away (as it will obvs exert an emotional pull of pity, concern, fear etc) re leaving someone potentially v vulnerable or unwell??

You may need to get used to her potentially continuing to harass, sabotage your relationship, seek punishment /revenge on you/him (depending on type of & severity of her issues - not saying all people with mh problens do this at all - just that her behaviour seems quite extreme). Is it different if/when she takes medication? Is there a pattern of her “needing” him more at some times more than others? Does she have any stable periods etc etc you need to know from him.

Given self harm/suicidal history of over 20 years I would expect her to have a formal mh diagnosis? Might be helpful to google it so you can get a handle or try & make sense of what you’re dealing with.

Just so can handle more objectively rather than emotively caught up in her chaos. She needs professional & family help. Every time your DP steps in he’s preventing her from getting it. And enabling her to occupy that place in his & your lives.

Good luck.

Cherrysoup · 22/06/2022 06:23

He took a selfie with her and sent it to you? What madness is this?! Either he stops pandering to her batshittery or you need to look very seriously at if you want to continue with this relationship. It’s bonkers.

SausagePourHomme · 22/06/2022 06:28

Am i reading this right, you've been with him for 20 years?

He is the one you need to hold to account here. He is enabling all of this. Quite possible that he is in some sort of relationship with her. She clearly has leverage to 'make' him do things.

He needs to cut her off or you walk away from him. Personally i would have ended it with him long ago.

custardbear · 22/06/2022 06:28

He needs to walk away and leave her to her own dramas. Can he call a family member to support her?
Do they have children together? He should call SS if so as she sounds unhinged.
If it's just ex wanting to be with him and he keeps pandering to him when will it stop?
To be fair, I'd not walk away from him as she's won and got her way, but at the same time he needs to choose, you or her

biggirlknickers · 22/06/2022 06:48

I’m so sorry OP, but it really isn’t her that you have a problem with. It’s him.

At best, he mistakenly thinks he is ‘helping’ her while actually enabling and validating her behaviour.

At worst, he is playing both of you, very cruelly.

The detail about you not being allowed to family events makes me suspect the worst here.

Maisydaisy56 · 22/06/2022 07:04

Everyone's saying exactly what's going through my mind but what I really didn't want to hear. We've only been together for 6 months though I've known him for years. He was with her for 40 years. Maybe you're right and he wants to keep in her life but everything he says and does when he's with me says something different.

He ignored all her messages and calls but agreed to meet her to arrange to pick up his belongings. Last time he tried to go to her place to collect them she dialled 999.
I've reported her for Harrassment as it got really bad but she stopped when the police spoke to her.
I keep hearing from you guys that he's. being manipulated and by meeting up and doing what she says he's fuelling the fire. One of you said 'he's emotionally abusing you on her say so' hit hard because it's so true and I didn't see it like that. He says he's trying to keep everything calm so he can get on with a new life and that he's content in every aspect of his life except that one. As you guys said by meeting up at her say so he's effectively giving her back control.
What also makes me cross with myself is that at the age of 66 I got out of a 30 year abusiive marriage last year and have a good life ahead - I just want to be happy with him but only he can make that happen. Why am I letting myself get into this!! When we're together we're so happy - we love doing simple things like long walks, going out for meals, we laugh loads and our sex life is amazing (and no he doesn't with her - that information came from her as well as him!).

I will speak to him and I need to make decisions for myself. I totally adore the guy but I want to love someone who can welcome me into every aspect of his life and not be a secret so maybe we both have tough decisions to make

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OneFrenchEgg · 22/06/2022 07:10

So you're the affair partner? Which explains a bit I think and also makes his behaviour currently worse because she sees it as him still 'picking' and she's fighting for her forty year relationship.
Well my advice is still that he needs to cut all contact but I have way more sympathy for his 'crazy ex' Hmm than I did before

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 22/06/2022 07:11

Did he leave her for you?

How long have they been separated / divorced?

He is really enabling her and she will never get help if he keeps running back to her.