To be relieved the world is starting to see some sense?

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Fina bars transgender swimmers from women's elite events if they went through male puberty www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/61853450

I feel exactly the same. More opportunities for males, yay 😒

But if it means males stay the hell out of the women's, and can't moan about not being included, it'll have to do.

Maybe an open category with a testosterone limit, seeing as they seem to think that's some sort of all important magic key into female categories! It can keep the non medicalised males out instead.

Ok, it might not be a category with a lot of entrants, but then it's more chance of winning, and they like winning, so what's not to love?

I have long thought this might be a good solution, thinking about things like athletics rather than contact sports.

I can make my peace with it.

FIFA, better be quick, at te last count Iran was fielding a team where seven of the women had/have a penis.

Very simple and clear.

I don't see how others cannot see that.

Me too. The reality is that no one will be interested in watching it.

When did people forget that you can't have everything you want in life?

When did TWs forget that a majority of men are actually good sports? The sort of man who didn't make it to the World Swimming/Cycling/Golf/Football etc. championships, but accepted that they are not quite good enough, get on with their lives and still enjoy their sport at the level they are comfortable with. Not whining why they can't compete against women.

I think the Open category will be interesting to watch - the ladies could be very competitive.

It depends on how it’s handled. If it becomes men division 2, that may not be the case.

I think it’s a pragmatic and reasonable solution. If it’s not working in future, I’d imagine they’ll simply revert to biologically defined men and women’s categories.

How many women are going to qualify?

I see American soccer player Megan Rapinoe has called this decision "disgusting", resorting to the old 'argument' that 'transwomen aren't winning Olympic golds so it's fine".

The more I thought about this, the more I think what a stupid argument. What about the people who win silver and bronze? What about the people who work for 4 years for the chance of representing their country but know that their chances of standing on the podium with the gold round their necks are slender? Don't their efforts count too? Why must they be denied the satisfaction of saying that they trained hard and represented their country? The answer seems to be that if you are a woman then tough luck, your opinions don't count.

It would have been nice to see women sticking together on this one.

I've read Rapinoe's blathering on the issue since she first squatted and dropped it and it's nothing but emotional blackmail HOW COULD YOU bollocks. In only one direction, obviously. No fucks given for women who get fucked over or any equal opportunity for them. No science, no sense, no fairness. Just BUT IT MAKES YOU SUCH A TERRIBLE PERSON garment-rending crap.

Not working any more, Rapinoe. By the way, are you aware that a lot of these people consider you a "sexual racist" and think you should be able to reason yourself out of your "prejudices" until you start liking penis?

nypost.com/2022/06/23/trans-mountain-biker-kate-weatherly-horrified-by-new-fina-rules/

Another middle of the road athlete in the male category now smashing the competition in the female category. However, insists that FINA is being unfair to male athletes who identify as women being excluded from the female category🤔

Well, Kate would, wouldn't Kate?

Part of the problem is that, while the Kates and Lias and Emilys and assorted other crap/artificially hobbled male athletes can freely express their thoughts, this isn't an option for female athletes who will still face sanctions and offensive sexualised threats if they say anything.

Sorry you can't get your knob out in the women's changing room any more, Thomas, but you're lucky that that was actually considered your human right for even five minutes. I sympathise, I'm too shit to shine as a professional athlete too.

interesting that Kate complains about being at a disadvantage due to hormone differences 🤔 It's almost as if she understands completely what the problem is. Only not...

Ask Sharron Davis what it is like to stand on a podium next to a cheat who is wearing the medal that should by all that is fair be yours. I can’t imagine how bitter it would feel to grit your teeth as you hear another national anthem played, know that your achievement would always be seen as second best, know that you have missed out on valuable endorsements and other sources of income, know that you will never be able to show a gold medal to your children and grandchildren, and most of all know that a lot of people who don’t understand the situation will simply think “sour grapes” if you raise the issue of cheating in elite sport.

This excellent post from ReneBumsWombats highlights the hypocrisy.
Part of the problem is that, while the Kates and Lias and Emilys and assorted other crap/artificially hobbled male athletes can freely express their thoughts, this isn't an option for female athletes who will still face sanctions and offensive sexualised threats if they say anything

Elite women athletes - in fact women athletes in most sports have been silenced with threats of losing team places, sponsorship and awards if they dare to protest about men competing in their sport. And the reason they're silenced is because it's unfair. There's no ethical reason why male bodies should be replacing women in women only sport. There's no scientific or logical reasons.
The only reason is male entitlement. A dominating force as ever.

Does Kate not realise the irony of blaming the hormone treatment that has pushed them to the top of the elite womens sport as being the same hormone treatment that caused them to fail so badly when competing in mens non elite sport. Gosh, if only they hadn’t taken those darn hormones they would still have been a mediocre male athlete. Hindsight eh?

Megan Rapinoe Now needs to sleep with a few penis having lesbians after all she is transphobic if she doesn’t.

"Sports isn't the most important thing in life."
What the actual fuck. How can a female athlete tell the girls who look up to her to just throw away their dreams, because they're not a big deal.
But obviously male athletes deserve to take their space, because I guess it is important to them.

If sports isn't important, crap male athletes wanting to win is even less so.

I truly can't understand how Hubbard, Thomas and the rest of them aren't embarrassed to stand on the podium.

So, her reduction in performance whilst on testosterone blockers meant that she didn't win elite races. Transitions with the same blockers and hey-presto, wins medals. So that suggests to me that the reduction in performance means biological male advantages still persist. Bingo. the male advantage persists despite transtion - just as all the sports scientists have said.

I used to think I'd be OK with TW athletes if it could be proven they had no advantage, but nit any more. It's women's sports, not hobbled male sports. The point is to find the top male and female bodied people in this discipline, not the top medicated and unmedicated males. And it's also to provide fair opportunity to those who got female in the sex crap shoot and therefore will have various inherent disadvantages based on their sex, even if we did live in a perfectly egalitarian world, which we don't.

There's nothing inclusive about excluding and disadvantaging female people.

Kate wasn’t good enough to race in mens elite races, only raced in mens open classes and wasn’t particularly good in them. So that residual advantage from male puberty really did come into its own when they started racing in womens elite races!

I appreciate that the decision to protect women’s sport is a welcome one, but some of the language used here, like ‘laddy’ and comments about getting your ‘knob out’, are really dreadful.