Flight to Rwanda

[lbab1702]

I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

Is it to late to persuade the Patel family to swap UK for Rwanda? At least they had some experience of living in an African country. But the Patels chose England. Nobody turned them away. And daddy Patel joined UKIP. Impressive history. No flight tonight.

We do not take a comparitive amount, it irritates me when people post complete BS like this. You clearly have never read anything factual on the topic or you are deliberately lying.

Germany took almost a million in a single year when there was the Eurpean refugee crisis.

Look at how few Ukrainians the UK has taken.

Bet Priti Patel is spitting feathers.

Good.

Have you actually actually looked into how many we take compared to other EU countries? Far far less. A 10th of Gemany for instance. Look.

i think this government were secretly rubbing their hands in glee when the ECHR intervened. I think this was their aim all along. Gives them an appalling excuse to justify leaving ECHR.

just appalling

This is one of my concerns, I must admit. That the Government will take this short term ‘hit’ for a longer term purpose.

It was never going to work. And how much money wasted in terms of the legal fight, police protection and the flight itself. What an embarrassment.

I find it hard to believe the entire EU is “not safe”

Do you think they wander round 27 EU countries before coming to us? What if they can speak some English? What if they have a cousin, an uncle, or brother here?
Such ignorance. But we see it.

The thing is, those to whom thus policy is designed to appeal won’t care about any of that. They will become yet more tribal, blaming the failure on ‘the left’ and thus shoring up support for our buffoon of a Prime Minister.

those poor people who were due to go, ok they've got a reprieve but wtaf....
agree, worrying about the tactics re the ECHR. But does anyone still think Brexit is a good idea?

People do not look, or they do look and then they lie anyway

I find it appalling that I am on Mumsnet arguing this. I'm all for different opinions, but this is beyond it.

Well apparently we are full otherwise why do we keep building so many more bloody houses? It's not like the homeless or unemployed can afford the price tags of them.

But more seriously, it's of course a shit, awful idea, and inhumane. We need to vote these twats out sooner rather than later.

The reason that they don't stay in France is because France doesn't accept them. Around 20% of asylum applications are accepted in France, compared to about 65% in the UK.

Also they don't get all the support in France that they get here.

Yet of course it's the British who are outrageous and unreasonable 🙄

Well, exactly. I wrote to my mp to protest about the plans, and was genuinely shocked that I got a ‘no I think it us fine’ reply. I just can’t imagine anyone with any moral compass (which should surely be what we want in our political leaders) thinking it’s fine.

@Discovereads That’s the Dublin Regulation which the UK is no longer part of, thanks to Brexit?

You prove my point, you have to look at accepted asylum applications per capita. Not the total number because we are small compared to Germany.

If you look at the 2015 refugee crisis, (the year when as you say Germany took in a million refugees), you will see that Sweden, Cyprus, Malta, and Austria all took in more refugees per capita than Germany did. As far as the U.K. is concerned we took in about the same as France, Italy, Greece, Luxembourg and Finland. We took in far more than Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Slovenia, Croatia. We are decidedly average. We took on our fair share, no more and no less.

I know. But it’s true there was a rule that did up until recently apply to us until Brexit. I saw fit to mention it as some posters were denying it had ever existed and referencing WWII in so doing.

@Jott Do you know where I can find further information about the exchange policy for Rwandan refugees ? There is very little online about it.

Threads like these are always awful to read, some people claim to have compassion and empathy but in reality can't seem to understand why someone may seek out the U.K. as their home.

If there us a difference in the percentage of successful asylum seekers between countries, it is completely reasonable to explore why - are we bad at identifying bogus claims? Are we more humanitarian? Do we have a lower legal bar? Are we inefficient? Do more deserving cases reach us? If the sifting is swift, efficient, transparent, safe and fair, then it is reasonable to sift thoroughly.

Sending torture victims to Rwanda is, by comparison, nothing to do with strength of case and not swift, efficient, transparent ir fair.

No one is being "processed" in Rwanda, that's the semantics the government have chosen. Our government is using our money to pay Rwanda to deal with what they see as a problem.
It's sickening.

Isn't there an existing refugee scheme by UN+EU in Rwanda that was generally accepted to be reasonably successful?

Yes, that word ‘processed’ is deliberately misleading propaganda - most people don’t realise that the intention is that even successful asylum seekers won’t come back to Britain but instead are ‘hidden out of sight and out of mind’ halfway across the world.

If the UK was the first safe country that refugees came to (and had to remain in, according to your logic) I'll bet a month's pension that you'd change your tune and be insisting that other countries took their share.

You can only take your stance because of an accident of geography.

Another shameful moment for this sewer government.