Flight to Rwanda

[lbab1702]

I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

If the ECHR stands in the way, its jurisdiction must be removed.

The only other country that has left the ECHR is Russia, are you suggesting we should be more like them?

What the actual fuck is wrong with some people.

I feel ashamed to be British just now

I think it’s important to understand that the ECHR now, with it associated jurisprudence, is quite a different animal from how it started out. The Strasbourg court has interpreted it as including quite a few rights I suspect Churchill didn’t have in mind …

@PlanetNormal yet even the Government are saying that the people being sent to Rwanda are seeking asylum so doesn't that make them asylum seekers?!

I don't understand how people can say refugees should stay in the first safe country they come to, how would those countries cope. We would never have any refugees then unless something drastic happened in France. In real terms very few refugees try to come here we have much less than France and orders of magnitude less than Turkey.

It would be much better if we had allowed France to set up a processing center there and then have safe routes for successful applicants to come over this getting rid of the demand for trafficking.
The ones that do want to come here often have family or friends here, or because they can speak English so will be able to settle in and work quicker. Or they may have helped our country out as translators or provided information, but as there are no open safe routes here how are they supposed to get here legally and apply?
The idea of flying them out to Rwanda with no option of being allowed to live here is both inhumane and doesn't make sense financially either.

"there is no rule requiring asylum seekers to apply in the first safe country they reach." You wouldn't think there'd need to be. They are claiming to be desperate remember.

Someone escapes oppression by climbing over mountains or crossing oceans and arrives on his last legs and begs for help.. Well you give it to him.

What we have is people sitting in rather nice coffee shops in France thumbing through brochures for the best deal.

I have nothing against Rwandans but let's not pretend this is sorting out a 'boat problem'

It's not. It's playing to racists

@lostinlego yes yes yes to your post

@LastTrainEast Do they thumb through those brochures before or after being pushed back to the borders and/or having their tents destroyed and possessions taken? It’s hard to keep track!

Good help Jewish children if people with this sort of outlook had been around at the time of Kindertransport.
Do you realise that Kindertransport was quite an expensive scheme? That there was a fee of £50 for it (roughly three months' average full time wages in Britain).

The more flights the better 👍

I don't understand how people can say refugees should stay in the first safe country they come to, how would those countries cope. We would never have any refugees then unless something drastic happened in France.

The sort of people who say this just don't want any refugees to come here, no matter what circumstances they are fleeing.

Apparently there is only one person left on the flight now

And now the last one has been pulled off the flight. No flight to Rwanda will be leaving tonight

Yes! Praying it’s true, just had a WhatsApp from a reliable source saying so 💪

This was from Care4Calais and has been picked up by various journalists

Just confirmed on BBC news, yet another bright idea from the Tories!

Just come up on sky news. Fantastic news

your feelings about the rules are irrelevant

those are the principles of the Geneva convention as interpreted by UK case law

and it is for justifiable reasons - if there is a long-standing war the first safe country would not be able to cope. We as the world need to collectively help

and as another PP said I’m struggling to understand when asylum seekers escaping bombs and beheadings have time to look at the marketing materials produced by the UK’s tourism industry

Great but given the Supreme Court decision let’s hope it sticks!

That’s an enormous relief.

If a legal, fair and available route existed for asylum seekers from all countries to apply for asylum in Britain and obtain rapid approval, with safe passage then available, the I would consider that approaches to deter illegal routes such as the all boats could then be considered.

However, there is no safe and legal route for valid asylum seekers from most countries. Demands that people should use these nonexistent routes or else be exported to a country with a questionable human rights record is clearly immoral and I am glad than in all the cases so far it gas proved illegal and unworkable.

There is actually a regulation requiring asylum seekers to apply for asylum in the first country of the EU they reach:
Wikipedia:
”Asylum shopping is the practice by asylum seekers of applying for asylum in several states or seeking to apply in a particular state after transiting other states.[1] The phrase is used mostly in the context of the European Union and the Schengen Area, but has also been used by the Federal Court of Canada.[2]

One of the objectives of Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters is to prevent asylum shopping.[3] The Dublin Convention covering the European Union stipulates that asylum seekers are returned to the country where their entry into the union was first recorded, and where they were first fingerprinted. Another objective of this policy is to prevent asylum seekers in orbit, i.e., to prevent the continual transfer of asylum seekers between countries trying to get others to accept them.[4][5]

To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in,[6] and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in is the final decision in all EU countries. However, among some asylum seekers, fingerprinting and registration is vehemently resisted in countries that are not asylum-seeker friendly. For example, some people seek to apply for asylum in Germany and Sweden where a more serious approach to welfare and integration support is taken,[7] and fundamental rights are more likely to be met.[8]

Some asylum seekers report burning their fingers so they can evade the fingerprint record control in Italy and apply for asylum in a country of their choice.[9] The fingerprint record, known as the Eurodac system, is used to intercept false or multiple asylum claims.[10] In Ireland, two-thirds of failed asylum seekers were found to be already known to the British border authorities, a third of the time under a different nationality, such as Tanzanians claiming to be fleeing persecution in Somalia.”

Thank goodness, looks like the flight is not leaving. And all those disappointed, just look at who was being sent 6,000 miles away
A man with children and family in Carlisle
3 others with family here
A man from Syria who was being forced into the murderous police
Torture victims

Just say you are OK with this?

We don't have an organised process for housing asylum seekers. That is OUR problem. We should have, we don't. The Govt are treating people as political pawns

I can not imagine being in the situation these poor people have been put in tonight. No wonder there are reports many are on suicide watch.

I have three questions I want answered:
-How the fuck does it make sense to spend so much on this scheme?
-What are the full details of the reciprocal deal where Rwandans fly back on the flight? I saw something on Twitter about this from a respected journalist.
-Is membership of the ECHR required as part of the GFA? Because if not surely Johnson's next hideous step is to take us out of that. And then we are all fucked because we will all have our rights ripped up.

I can see why Sturgeon is starting the independence moves in earnest now, England is insane and if I were in Scotland I would vote to get away as soon as possible.

I find it hard to believe the entire EU is “not safe”

I think the U.K. does take it’s fair share of refugees. You can’t compare us one for one with much larger nations. We are actually a small island nation.

Also, many are forgetting the fact that Britain wasn’t the only country to colonise…many refugees speak other languages due the legacy of the Russian, French, Spanish, Dutch and Portuguese Empires. (They were smaller than the British Empire but Empires nonetheless).