Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

I think it’s also a tad racist to have the attitude that it’s a positive getting foreign workers in because they’ll work for 2p and a button

You say that people are self-sufficient but that is not true - no one is ever turned away from A&E, an ambulance will never refuse an injured person or from the doctors - they can complete a form to say they are here on holiday. We have free hostels for homeless people, and plenty of food available in shelters across the country. Clothes banks etc. There are millions of car washes and other jobs that pay cash in hand, it is easy enough to fly under the radar when you are young and nimble. So self sufficient is an interesting word. I might also add that we would not stop a sectioning either for poor mental health due to status and many of the people living in the shadows simply look for the first opportunity to become legit which is not as hard as it sounds.

@Freerangechildren you are conflating asylum seekers with legal and illegal immigrants. Successful asylym seekers can work and their taxes and NI will go towards maintaining the NHS. If they qualify for benefits, they are in the same position as UK claimants who we don't try to ship out of the country. Legal immigrants on visas have to pay towards NHS care. Illegal immigrants do their best to keep away from anything official for fear of getting caught. If they're relying on charity and cash in hand jobs, they're not a burden on the taxpayer. If they become legit, then again they become liable to tax etc. Bear in mind, of course, that we all pay tax every time we buy petrol or pay VAT on purchases.

Do most of the people against this policy believe that something should be done about the crossings/migrants in general (but are not sure what) but just don't like the policy?

Or do you believe the borders should be more open with more legal routes in some vain hope the smugglers will stop? In which case how on earth do we fund and support the millions of applicants that we would surely have if we were to change our policies when we still have so many families in bed sits?

Or do you just hate the tories and whatever they come up with good or bad will be demolished for political reasons?

That question has been answered many times on this thread. I know the answer is too sensible for you, but you don't help your cause by ignoring it.

Perhaps look at the graph I already posted.

Rwanda is perfectly safe

Hmm from Paul Brand in Rwanda yesteday

From what I am witnessing as a journalist here in Rwanda, this is not a free country. People we have interviewed have already been reported to the government for participating in our reports. Journalists cannot operate freely here, and we are lucky to be international media.
This is part of the concern human rights groups have about the deal with Rwanda. Will asylum seekers sent here be free and safe? Especially given they have often fled repression elsewhere?

And who will tell us what is happening to them if Rwandan journalists are gagged?

It’s an ethics advisor. It plays in a headline as deliciously as your desperation.

You think it is fun and lovely that the UK is planning to break international law and threatening the Good Friday Agreement?

This policy isn't designed to stop refugees. The government claims that it will bring them back from Rwanda if and when genuine asylum claims have been processed and accepted. So perhaps you should be asking who is going to foot the bill for the pointless flights out to. Rwanda and back, to say nothing of the millions the government is sending Rwanda, and the cost of providing support to the vulnerable refugees Rwanda is sending us as part of the agreement.

Paul Brand in Rwanda yesterday

Maybe they didn't approve of a rancid little weasel trying to make their country look bad?

"its quite honestly something from 1930s Germany"

Except for them not being killed, not being starved, not being put in camps (they can leave Rwanda anytime they like) not being citizens and actually being people we told "NOT TO COME HERE"

You may be shocked to see that burglars are often handcuffed in order to remove them from the place they were caught entering illegally.

The government claims that it will bring them back from Rwanda if and when genuine asylum claims have been processed and accepted.

@AmaryIlis, it claims no such thing. It states that successful asylum seekers will be supported to settle in Rwanda. At no point will they be allowed back to the UK.

Because it's not safe. There's plenty of evidence for that.

Should gun them down? Putin shows how to get rid of journalists who report the wrong things.

I have seen A LOT of racism on this thread and in the news, it is not okay to talk so badly of Rwanda, they are a developing nation and are looking forward to the new arrivals and no doubt the development aid will be extremely helpful.

The scheme is monitored carefully and thoroughly and the rooms look a hell of a lot better here. Plus they have a much better chance of playing football outside as it is no fun here for six months of the year.

I have no qualms about this policy. Rwanda know not to mess it up or all their aid disappears, so they are incentivised to look after the migrants.

@AmaryIlis , see for example here. Successful asylum seekers will be resettled in Rwanda. They are not being processed in Rwanda and returned to the UK if they are successful in claiming asylum.

Should gun them down? Putin shows how to get rid of journalists who report the wrong things.

I think you have mixed up the countries, we are not talking about Ukraine or a war. We are talking about a beautiful welcoming peaceful African nation.

Why wouldn't they approve? Their country is perfectly safe according to you

For those who dismiss people (usually legitimate refugees) as 'economic migrants' could you explain what exactly is wrong with that please? We are desperate for economic input and staff in most sectors. Also, whilst you're there, do you think Ukrainians should also be flown to Rwanda/ stop in another European country?

You were the one who called a journalist who you have never heard off "Rancid little weasel" not me.

There are a small but loud militant bunch of idealists on this thread, coming up a great deal, so I am thinking what vested interest requires people support a process that sees migrants drown at sea, and suggest tin pot ideas that will never work and still they seem to protest at the idea of a policy that might actually work...

Paul was not there offering neutral reporting and observations - not at all - he was digging around for as much dirt as he could find, they are a clever bunch and were on to him straight away. I hope they booted him out.

Ukraine is being blown to bits the last time I checked are you expecting us to turn away families from Ukraine perfect?

lol as opposed to you? with a complete armoury of denial and populism.

We've given a host of alternatives.

If the plan was to bring them back from Rwanda then the protestors would be happy. It's a way one trip.

As for the wasted money ask the protesters about that. Essentially sabotaging our efforts because they know if they come up with a half plausible objection to someone going we must investigate it.

Relying on us NOT being monsters/nazis in fact.

Free-rangechildren, sorry, are you completely ignorant to the situations in Syria, Iraq, Yemen?

How do you know this? Is expelling journalists we don't agree with the way forward?