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AIBU to think drinking every day is normal?

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BitBehind · 12/06/2022 18:16

Just that really.

I grew up in a household where both parents drank every night. Always wine with dinner and then sometimes gin or whisky afterwards.

They were never smashed. But they definitely drank every day without fail and often a little wobbly before bed. I didn't think much of it.

Now I always have wine in the evening. Soon as the kids (toddlers) are in bed it's my routine to come down and have a glass of white wine in the quiet at last. And then maybe one more with dinner. And maybe one more after dinner. Small glass. 3 max. I never go out drinking anymore so that's it. I'm never drunk but also would find it hard to not have that glass at the end of the day

Is this normal? My partner says it's definitely not.

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Isaidnomorecrisps · 13/06/2022 23:17

I love wine, take wine courses, have a little cellar of the stuff. It’s my hobby and potentially a second career. I drink most days (people in the wine business generally drink daily, in my experience) but it’s an inch into a glass while I’m cooking, and another one for dinner. I use a coravin and will taste two wines. It’s delicious. But I’m very very aware of how much is going down, and relatively often end up throwing away wine I’ve opened after 5-6 days.

It’s an easy slope OP and I understand it. Every so often I stop for 2-3 weeks and I find I don’t miss it, then gradually start again. But there have been times where I think - I want that glass too much. You kind of know it and stop. Don’t beat yourself up about it and do exactly as you are - being conscious of it and bringing the amount down. X

Tilltheend99 · 13/06/2022 23:18

I appreciate that you are genuinely looking for advice and have said you will take some of these replies on and cut down.

I just want to say that treating wine (even if it’s very good wine, which I’m sure it is) as a reward/treat that is your outlet for relaxation is the real thing getting you into danger here. It’s also how most of the smokers I know justify it to themselves and why they can’t quit!

Being ‘drunk’ is not really anything to do with it. If you drink everyday and find it hard to stop or see that it is a problem then I would describe you as a functioning alcoholic. (I’m not trying to be horrible btw)

When your kids are older they will understand that you have been drinking when you interact with them in the evenings and it will be upsetting. It’s almost worse when a person in your life doesn’t fit the stereotype of the drunk unable to hold down a job etc because it can be very difficult to get across how upsetting and disruptive it is to family life.

I say this as a kid who pretended to be asleep so as to avoid talking with a parent.

It’s a societal problem and, as you’ve identified, it runs in families. Please ask for help. Your DP sounds supportive (at least in MN terms) get him to support your cutting down and having sober days. I really, really hope you can do it. 💐

NotStayingIn · 13/06/2022 23:29

Congratulations on not drinking! My parents also drank every single day and still do. Not in a getting drunk way, I've never seen them drunk. But they always have wine in the evening.

I now only drink a few times a week, but I found it hard getting to this point. Having wine at night was just such a habit, like coffee in the morning.

My parents did it, then at Uni we all did it, then in a flatshare we all did it (again not to get drunk, but just as part of socializing in the evening), and it was only recently that I realized most of my friends no longer do that. (I know that sounds mad, but I honestly just assumed everyone was still doing it.)

blubberyboo · 13/06/2022 23:32

Sorry you are drinking way too much and are likely to be alcohol dependent.

try and stop for a week and see if you have a problem

Eeksteek · 14/06/2022 00:24

BitBehind · 12/06/2022 20:16

I guess that's why I used the word normal. Wine to me is part of my life, like enjoying good food or watching a film. Something I enjoy that I find relaxing. I would never see it as Christmas pudding or birthday cake or any other occasional/rare treat like that. But im really hearing that I need to change and seriously reduce.

It doesn’t have to be like Christmas pudding - Super special occasions only, but also not everyday. There’s a lot of room between those two extremes, (and neither of them are normal). I mean, you don’t have a gourmet meal or watch a film every weeknight or just at Christmas, (do you?)

I drink in the week often. But then I often don’t at weekends. My job is way less taxing than my parenting responsibilities, so the strain of keeping the school night routine is quite a big one, and I’m much more likely to reach for a remedial gin after a difficult bedtime than on a Saturday night after a chilled out day.

I really shouldn’t reach for it as a reward (I’m just as bad with food) and one good thing about not being able to drink as much is I’m less likely to do that now. As DD grew and bedtimes got less stressful (and later) I also found that our evenings found their flow and weren’t such a struggle. Which meant less of a ‘thank fuck she’s finally asleep and I can breathe’ moment.

I think it would be healthier for me to DO something in the evenings sometimes! A couple of classes or catching up with a friend would be awesome. But I can’t, so what else does a single mum treat herself to at the end of the day? It must be cheap, silent, housebound and not too draining! It tends to be a slice of cheesecake, cheese and biscuits and a glass of port or a g and t (not all on the same day). I just feel I both need and deserve a little indulgent treat at the end of day. I try to do yoga, which I do enjoy, but it’s not the same).

I’d say do a dry month (February is better than January imho) and also pick a couple of nights when you do something else and have a reason not to drink. When mine was tiny and just slept in the car seat I met up with a friend and grocery shopped and had a coffee or went for an evening walk somewhere nice. And pre kids I usually had an evening class or a team sport fixture, too. Obviously harder with kids, but it’s as much about breaking the habit of automatically and ALWAYS reaching for it. I would say drinking four days a week would still mean wine is a pretty big part of your life. I don’t see that you must do something EVERY day for it to be a normal and defining thing.

Also, sooner or later your kids will need ferrying to various after tea things, so you might as well face it now…

(I think adults drinking Squash is a bit weird. I don’t know why, it just seems like something meant for children to me. Like ice poles or petit filous. I never drink it (hot ribena if I’m ill, but it’s full of horrible sweeteners now, so I don’t even bother then) I know loads of adults do, so no need to spam me, its just an illustration of what we unthinkingly internalise as normal.

CelestiaNoctis · 14/06/2022 01:44

Thats alcoholism. I have 2 young kids and haven't had a drink since December, I reserve it for special occasions or nights out.

AdaHopper · 14/06/2022 02:35

Well done OP! Keep going.

For me it isn't only the amount that would worry me but the fact that you are using alcohol to numb (you refer to needing it to deal with the stress of the day).
A herbal tea is a good alternative. I am a fan of Yogi tea.

TheBlessedCheesemaker · 14/06/2022 04:38

Wine was my hobby for 30 years and I have visited most of the great wine regions of the world. My cellar is full of the most fantastic wine and I used to drink 3 bottles a week - one glass to wind down when kids went to bed and second glass with supper. never got drunk, never drank anything but wine, never more than half a bottle.
In Jan this year a very kind physician sat me down and told me to stop. Told me that I had created a habit that was nothing more than self-sabotage - I had become a slave to the habit, despite my insistence that I managed a damp January each year, etc.
For various reasons this particular conversation hit home - I trusted the doctor I was talking to, having had him treat me for something totally unrelated to drink. So I stopped the drinking habit.
The conversation was life-transforming. Nothing less. I have so much energy and a side effect is that I haven’t switched on the TV since that day, either. I decided that if I wasn’t going to drink then I needed to change the behaviours attached to the habit, so I run instead (I still think WTF happened to me when I say that!). After I get back in and recover I have a glass of alcohol-free gin & tonic - it has exactly the same ‘reward’ effect. My weight dropped by 20 kg (am now skinny), and I sleep like a baby. I give myself ‘permission’ to drink if I want to at social events, but tbh the urge to do this has mostly gone - i don’t like the ‘day after’ feeling (even on just a glass or two) and have learnt that my mood lifts with the flow of the night when I am socialising, even if I’m not actually drinking. It was only when I stopped that I ‘got’ why the habit was so bad. I feel as if I am still the same person, yet totally different at the same time. I am happier. So I wish you good luck, OP. I hope you have the same journey.

Snowpaw · 14/06/2022 05:37

I know personally I’d find parenting 10x harder after half a bottle of wine every night. Might feel relaxing to drink at the time but I think it sets up a vicious cycle of “needing” it after a tough day with toddlers. The days will probably improve if you drink less. you’ll feel more able to cope with things. You’ll have more energy.

Its the peace and quiet that’s the nice bit in the evenings, not necessarily the wine. I have a massive mug of peppermint tea every evening. I really love it. That to me feels like my thing to look forward to after a hard day.

NannaKaren · 14/06/2022 06:30

Please stop drinking so much - it will damage your Liver, your family and your purse…

ChrisReasBathEggs · 14/06/2022 06:44

I would probably feel rough on that amount. I tend to only drink on Friday night (usually only have time for a glass of wine after kids clubs in eve) and might have a few drinks Saturday. Occasionally have the odd one in the week. I'm not really happy with drinking that to be honest and evdn feel TY ge affect of a few drinks. I'm getting on the alcohol free beers. There are some great ones out there that taste pretty good. Not sure about wine, but worth a try?

ilovechocolate07 · 14/06/2022 06:58

Hi, I think that you asking here is a sign that you feel it might not be quite right and saying you'd find it hard not to. I believe that everyone has different tolerances, mine is terrible. 3 drinks on the weekend and I get a headache so having 3 a night but definitely be bad for me but I know of friends who have 3 bottles a week and function just fine. We have alcohol dependency in my family so our attitude is different to the norm. Maybe try to have a wine free eve to start with and see if it has a positive effect. If it has a negative effect then it'll be a big red flag that there's a problem.

Needwine999 · 14/06/2022 07:21

Yes I do daily but just 1 glass in the evening on week nights, and have a few more on weekends, many people i know do this or have wine with dinner

Needwine999 · 14/06/2022 07:26

Can I add I dont think you have a problem, you just want the wine to relax as many do, and they are small glasses. I love wine and associate it with relaxation and feel perfectly healthy. I don't binge drink or touch spirits.

trailrunner85 · 14/06/2022 07:31

Can I add I dont think you have a problem, you just want the wine to relax as many do, and they are small glasses

But that's entirely the problem. I know, because I used to be the same.
Now I relax with a tonic water (pink fevertree one), with ice and a bit of lime. Or an alcohol free beer. Or a cup of tea. Or a quick bit of yoga and stretching. Or a short run. Etc etc. It's needing the alcohol to relax that's the problem - you can get that "marker" that it's the end of the day and wind-down time in many different ways that don't need to involve booze.

Also, I don't really get the excuse people use that "I love wine" - so I have to drink it every day.
I love wine, so I'd rather drink good wine very rarely, rather than have a glass daily from an £8-£10 bottle. By the same token, I love steak but don't eat rich food every day..

MsTSwift · 14/06/2022 07:58

Need wine you are in the same boat as op. I adore wine and treacle tart myself but you can’t have them every flipping day!

MistyRuins · 14/06/2022 07:59

I think the numbers are interesting.

About 13% of people think it's normal. It's also interesting to read the comments from people that say it's normal - the 'thimble of wine' comments the accusations of being judgemental, the lack of acknowledgment of total dismissal for any health concerns etc.

It might not be uncommon, but it's definitely the minority that think it's normal.

I applaud the poster above who has read the thread and is taking action to change their habits. Well done. It's not easy to admit that it might be becoming a problem. I think there is evidence of that on this thread.

I don't drink a lot - but, highly unusually for me, I have had beer four times in the last two weeks, and a pint of cider one lunchtime. Just saying this before anyone thinks to criticise me for thinking a thimble of sherry once a year is normal.

Summerwhereareyou · 14/06/2022 08:13

@TheBlessedCheesemaker
Which alcohol free gin?

I did see a bottle somewhere and it was £16 !! Is that what I can expect to pay?

FootieMama · 14/06/2022 08:15

If I were you I would try to go a month without to test how you feel. I used to do this test when I was in my twenties ( and drinking a lot more) because my father was an alcoholic and I was terrified of inheriting it.
Nowadays I usually only drink with friends or when we go to a restaurant. So it's a social thing for me. A couple of glasses with a nice meal. Once a week or less.
At home the only alcohol we always have is a drop of amaretto in the ice cream 😉

catflycat · 14/06/2022 08:25

Thanks for this post, I also grew up in a household where daily drinking was normal and have realised we're back to daily drinking here. I do love beer and wine, and like you a glass of wine while cooking or a beer with curry or desert is just a lovely relaxing thing to do. Always feel it's ok as it's just 1-3 a night. But having recently lost my dad far too young to heart disease, I don't really want this to be the norm for my kids. This has really given me a push to make a change... We're going to start with two alcohol free days and try and switch to more not drinking then drinking days. Partner agrees so we can at least do it together

BitBehind · 14/06/2022 08:27

Well DS2 slept through the night last night so no wine and 8 hours sleep is v welcome.

Apart from the health concerns, I also have so much I want to do (admin, reading, DIY) that just never ever gets done because it feels like I'm either at work, looking after 2 DS, or have a glass of wine in my hand. And once I have the first sip I just lie on the sofa and channel hop until bedtime. It feels relaxing but I'm not sure I get much joy from it if that makes sense

I have clearly underestimated the health impact too though. I feel much healthier than in my 20s as I never go out and I go to bed at reasonable time and eat well etc. But after reading all these comments I'm pretty worried 😟

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GlomOfNit · 14/06/2022 08:28

BitBehind · 12/06/2022 20:02

I'm intrigued by the people who only drink occasionally (like only on special occasions or holiday etc) - do you just not like wine very much or do you have iron strong discipline. Cooking a nice dinner with a glass of good wine is a real pleasure to me and I can't imagine doing it only at Christmas.

But I take all the points about health and the fact it can increase and increase.

Someone asked about my pregnancies - totally alcohol free from the moment I got the positive test. Did drink a little during breastfeeding. I've been drinking like this for 18 months

As I say I used to go get pissed at the weekends and I never do now so I've probs been justifying it

Oh also someone asked if I don't drive anywhere...with toddlers I have no social life and they're in bed by 7pm so not much evening driving

Nope, I'm pretty lax in most areas of personal discipline. It's a habitual thing. If you only have a glass of wine (etc) every so often (say once or twice a week max) it doesn't become an indispensable part of your life that you can't imagine being without. I'm afraid your 2/3 small glasses every night sounds like dependency if you can't contemplate not having an evening like that.

I like wine fine! Grin And my drinking nowadays is generally seasonal - I'll probably be fairly unhealthy and have at least a drink every night in the week either side of Christmas, and definitely on holiday. I'm somewhere hot, the wine is good, you 'need' a cool beer at lunch etc. But that's 2 weeks and I'm not getting pissed - the rest of the year I'm having maybe 2 or 3 drinks a week (unless there's something unusual happening like a party or festival etc) and currently less than that. I reckon my body can probably repair the damage done on a two week holiday drinking a fair bit of vino verde.

On the other hand, and to show solidarity with the OP (who I'd say does need to address her habitual drinking for health reasons Flowers ) I have a very profligate coffee shop habit. It started when DS2 had just started preschool. He is severely autistic and the relief of not having to look after him for a few hours was extreme. I started treating myself to an hour with a book in a cafe where nobody could find me. I kept this up. He's 11 and it's rare that I'll go a day without stopping off for a sit-down and even just 15 mins with what I have to admit is an expensive cuppa (compared with at home). It's an escape from my messy home and time out from all the things I should be doing. I shudder to think what I spend on coffees every week, but I feel deprived if I don't. It's so easy for this sort of thing to become habituated.

BitBehind · 14/06/2022 08:31

@catflycat ah that's good to hear. I think more non drinking days than drinking is a good plan. I haven't actually told me DH I'm going to stop as don't want it to be "thing". He didn't notice I had water in my usual glas last night. Don't know if that's weird or no

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NightIbble · 14/06/2022 08:37

I love wine, especially as you saying cooking a nice meal with a glass of wine. I would happily drink every night but know that's not ideal. What I do is have a subscription where I get 12 bottles of really good wine every 3 months (so about a bottle a week) and don't buy extra on top.

TheBlessedCheesemaker · 14/06/2022 08:50

@Summerwhereareyou - yep, the alcohol free gin is more expensive than the non-alcoholic! I tend to drink tanqueray 0.0 but most of the big brands are pretty good - esp if you add good tonic - I’m more fussy about the tonic than the gin (currently knocking back cucumber tonic, and also love pink grapefruit tonic).
Seedlips gin range is IMO the only stuff that really stands out flavour-wise. I like the spicy one best but my bestie prefers the citrusy one.
i also discovered zero alcohol rum recently and ‘dark & stormy’ cocktails are my summer preference at the moment.