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To expect people to be able to control their children on planes?

519 replies

Ace56 · 10/06/2022 17:08

I recently returned from a long haul trip with connecting flights, so was on 5 planes altogether.

On 4 of these flights I was around children who’s parents just seemed to pussyfoot around them and seemed unable to control them.

Flight 1 - mum and 2 kids in the row in front of me. Dad across the aisle, plonks himself down on his laptop for the entire flight. Little boy (around 2-3) EXTREMELY loud, continuous shrieking, disrupting his sister. They had brought nothing for him to do - no iPad/colouring/books, so no wonder he was bored. Just shrieked constantly to get mum’s attention. Dad did absolutely nothing to help, didn’t offer to take him. Neither took him for a walk down the aisle or anything - he literally was in his seat the entire flight, absolutely bored shitless and disturbing everyone around him.

Flight 2 - girl of about 3 sitting behind me, next to mum. Dad across the aisle. Was fine during the flight but kept switching between mum and dad, and taking it in turns to sit on their lap watching her iPad. When it came to landing, she still wanted to switch every few mins. Air hostess politely told them a few times that she needs to be seated now for landing. Parents meekly tried to make her sit still with one of them but eventually gave up, so for the actual landing she ended up in the aisle (very dangerous) with mum holding onto her T-shirt. Air hostesses were seated at this point so couldn’t do anything/didn’t notice.

Flight 3 - boy of about 5 in front of me, standing up in his seat, leaning back into the seat, generally jumping around. Mum apologised but made no real attempt to stop him.

Flight 4 - large extended family sitting in various places around the plane. Children allowed to shout at each other across rows and over people’s heads, not told to stop once.

AIBU to despair at parenting these days if this is the norm? Have other people come across situations like this or was I just very unlucky?!

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Rosehugger · 10/06/2022 22:02

I can't say as I see much evidence of crap parenting when out and about. Some people must be more on the look out for it than others.

Lakeowlmoon · 10/06/2022 22:02

Some people just don't know or care about the normal etiquite- like on night flights when the lights are dimmed you are meant to be quiet and not let your dc scream and shout and do gymnatistics in the aisle that involves swinging off a stranger's arm rest ( aka mine).

The mum did not take my politely telling her- i got sworn at.

Sbqprules · 10/06/2022 22:11

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AWobABobBob · 10/06/2022 22:11

I really can't tolerate people's children on transport. I have similar examples to you...

One couple put their children in my train seat before I'd boarded. I came to my booked Eurostar seats to find two kids sat in them along with packets of crisps and a load of other shit all over the seats before the train had even left the terminal. The parents didn't apologise or ask if their kids could take my seats. And at this point I had no option as I would have been left with completely dirty seats.

On a plane a woman let her child stand up on their seat and lean over the back of it and continuously whack the poor person's screen that was sat behind them. The timid, Muslim woman just sat there quietly whilst this brat continued.

I generally have no problem with crying babies etc but children who are not disciplined or told off by their parents really annoys me.

Tara336 · 10/06/2022 22:16

Few years back we paid extra to sit in premium on a long haul flight. My DD was well behaved for the 9 hour flights. Unfortunate we had to put up with the child in the row in front jumping up and down and standing on the seat putting his hands over the TV screen in the seat back and generally being an annoying little shit, the DM thought we were unreasonable when we asked her to get a grip of her child so we could have some peace.

Onlyhuman123 · 10/06/2022 22:20

Rockellsspecial · 10/06/2022 17:15

YANBU, the fact that 33% of posters have voted that you are shows what a snowflake, batshit crazy world we live in now and I dread to think what entitled, inconsiderate, rude arseholes there children are going to grow up to be.

Haha yep totally agree!

anxiousmumagain · 10/06/2022 22:21

This is making me want to cry tbh as we are taking our toddler (who will be 16 months old by then) on her first holiday in August. The flight is almost 5 hrs. I'm praying that she doesn't cry the whole way or someone will no doubt make a post about us on here 😩😭

(Tips for keeping a 16 month old happy on a plane greatly appreciated!!)

user1471538283 · 10/06/2022 22:23

When we flew when my DS was small and it was pre screens I always took lots to do and snacks. I remember reading the same book to him over and over again coming back from Germany. Some parents think that others will parent if they ignore it.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 10/06/2022 22:23

mackthepony · 10/06/2022 21:22

Hmm, tough question.

I flew longhaul when DS was 2.5 and it was HELL. He constantly fiddled with the window shutter and banged the tray table up, down, up, down. Yes, I told him to stop, but what can you actually do with a kid that age? They don't understand consequences.

What does he do at home when you tell him no?

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/06/2022 22:27

whoruntheworldgirls · 10/06/2022 21:42

YANBU.
We've been flying with our 5yr old since she was a baby and we've done everything we can to keep her occupied to make it easier for her and others on the plane, i take loads of colouring books, different pens, stamps, stickers, her kindle fire loaded with games, tv shows and movies, polly pockets, her favourite cuddly toys, tonnes of snacks, activity books and anything else i can think of.

This. For the first 5 flights of her life from 5mths to 2yrs we planned flights around her naps so for the 4,5hr flights she would sleep 1,5 of it

now doesn’t at 5yrs but we do the above. iPad. Snacks colouring stickers etc

bellamountain · 10/06/2022 22:27

I'm slightly anxious now too! My 2 year old has never been on a plane and we are going abroad this summer. My eldest has been on a plane twice and despite being a very fussy baby, at one years of age he was absolutely fine as he was at 3. He pretty much slept the whole way but only a 2 hour flight. We have a 4 hour one this summer :/ Need to remember drink for take off and landing, and food to keep the jaw moving.

Can you take your own usual snacks or do you need to buy all the snacks at the airport? I've forgotten it's been so long!

anxiousmumagain · 10/06/2022 22:30

@bellamountain

I think you and i should step away from this thread for the sake of our nerves and pray for the best with our toddlers on their first flights 😣🤣

I also want to know the answer to the snack question...... I might have to start my own thread actually. Don't want to derail.

Hearwego · 10/06/2022 22:42

Another typical useless dad- just plonks himself with his laptop ignoring his children , letting his wife try to entertain them.

Happytap · 10/06/2022 22:56

Oh god I’m so stressed having read this! First flight for both mine (3.5 years and 10 months) next week.

10 month old has just learnt to cruise and now wants to be doing that all the time and shrieks if I hold him still. Any perfect parents on here got any tips? otherwise I feel there will be threads about me next week.

I don’t let my eldest use screens so no tablet for her - although she is usually very well behaved. But I can’t help thinking the majority on this thread are expecting children to act like responsible adults on planes? Is this some kind of throw back to when plane travel was a luxury? I don’t understand how you think children should magically transform as they go through plane doors?

most people are tired and stressed and fed up travelling - why are children not allowed to feel those things too?

and I mean it re tips for the 10 month old please!

Aria999 · 10/06/2022 22:57

Brefugee · 10/06/2022 18:50

I had an annoying kid next to me on a long haul flight, his mum on the other side of him. He kept jumping around, made me spill my coffee, ripped my headphones out, knocked my book out of my hand etc. I kept telling the mum to get control of him. She ignored me. So i started teaching him swear words. I started with things like fart and bloody, got to fuck before she swapped places with him. Turned out his dad was on the other side but "wanted to read in peace". I really wish i'd got as far as cunt though. Because i wanted to look her in the eye and say it. Grin

That is hilarious

anxiousmumagain · 10/06/2022 22:59

Any perfect parents on here got any tips? otherwise I feel there will be threads about me next week.

Don't worry there'll be some about me and my 16 month old in August time too - I'll be sure to look out for them 🤣

anxiousmumagain · 10/06/2022 22:59

@Happytap

On a serious note this thread has majorly caused me anxiety too about our first flight with DD 🥺

Lakeowlmoon · 10/06/2022 23:05

For people with the toddler dc you need to put some thought into it - you wouldn't expect your dc to sit for 3 hrs on a seat in the house with nothing to do so you need stuff for the plane. Colouring, toys, snacks. We found that 2.5hrs really was the max - sorry previous poster but I wouldn't have booked a holiday with a 5 hr flight with a 16mth old- good luck with that!!

anxiousmumagain · 10/06/2022 23:05

most people are tired and stressed and fed up travelling - why are children not allowed to feel those things too?

Exactly. Children can't yet apply adult logic to such emotions so they have a tantrum. But that's a sign of a "brat" apparently. No, it's not, it's a sign of emotional immaturity which is exactly what children are by definition - emotionally not yet matured. If parents are making an effort to deal with the situation as best they can with the resources they have within the confines of an airplane, surely they can be cut a bit of slack?

(Ps. I hope no one on here is flying from Edinburgh to Lanzarote in August... if so I do apologise in advance and please be nice to me, I'll be the frazzled stressed mum trying to not cry whilst wrestling with my 16 month old to get her to comply 🤣)

Aria999 · 10/06/2022 23:06

I kind of jump about like Monica from Friends in anxious control freakery trying to ensure my kids behave. I usually get there in the end but there have definitely been embarrassing moments.

As long as you are clearly trying I think anyone judging you is unreasonable and you can ignore them.

Otherwise, i take a big picnic, ipad with headphones (cozy phones are good as they can doze off in them), and for my toddler a big pile of books I can read on repeat (she also gets iPad but gets bored of it).

anxiousmumagain · 10/06/2022 23:07

sorry previous poster but I wouldn't have booked a holiday with a 5 hr flight with a 16mth old- good luck with that!!

Fucking hell. Time to step away from MN and cry 😭🙈

anxiousmumagain · 10/06/2022 23:09

I'm hoping she will sleep for some of it, and we plan on plenty of snacks, iPad and toys etc. other than that it's rotate her between the 3 of us and hope for the best!!

Aria999 · 10/06/2022 23:09

We live in America and all our family are in the uk. We have done many long haul flights with small kids (including several 11 hour ones from
California). It's not much fun but you can do it. Way too much iPad is definitely your friend.

Aria999 · 10/06/2022 23:11

Don't worry @anxiousmumagain you will be fine. Lots of books too if they like books.

Thatboymum · 10/06/2022 23:11

I’m a single parent to 3 the youngest being a 4 year old with adhd and this year have decided to brave taking them away myself the 7 & 13 year old will be fab but as much as I sympathise with your post it’s also the exact reaction that’s making me dread taking him away because people will just assume he’s an unruly brat , I know for a fact he will be loud stressed hyperactive moving about and annoying to others who will just assume I made him that way and he’s not disciplined but that’s just not it at all he can’t help it and even tho he’s largely disciplined his body and mind just don’t have the capacity to care or control it 😫