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Boris no confidence vote…he’s going to win isn’t he?

537 replies

BadAtMaths2 · 06/06/2022 08:31

Spineless MPs….then he’ll limp along doing even more attention seeking stunts.

OP posts:
CapMarvel · 06/06/2022 14:59

SleeplessInEngland · 06/06/2022 14:36

"If he got a majority of one, that's enough to move on," says Nadine Dorries.

Nadine Dorries thinks you play tennis on a pitch.

She's up there with Raab in the "really fucking stupid" stakes.

AclowncalledAlice · 06/06/2022 15:00

Haven't yet rtft but Maggie also won a vote of no confidence as did Theresa May, both resigned soon after, so even if he wins it may not count for much.

MarshaBradyo · 06/06/2022 15:03

PestorPeston · 06/06/2022 14:53

If he loses the vote tonight, he will call a snap election to prove the public love him.
Rumours already about GE prep.
FTP was repealed on 24th March this year.

His actions will be in his best interest, no the best interest of party or country.

Madness

newnamethanks · 06/06/2022 15:08

Nadine Dorries. They walk among us but I do wonder if staying upright is a problem.

idiotfacelicker · 06/06/2022 15:11

ND and BJ are together absolutely killing the Tory brand (such as it was anyway). This vote really is a win/win.

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:16

We have covid
We have Monkey pox
We have a war in Europe
We have Russians threatening nuclear war and to nuke us personally
We have a cost of living crisis spiralling out of control
We have so many problems I can't even be bothered to list

And hey lets just throw in an election and put a bomb under the government, what great timing given Labour is also in disarray.

This is a remain plot for sure. Tobias is all over it like a cheap rash.

CapMarvel · 06/06/2022 15:20

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:16

We have covid
We have Monkey pox
We have a war in Europe
We have Russians threatening nuclear war and to nuke us personally
We have a cost of living crisis spiralling out of control
We have so many problems I can't even be bothered to list

And hey lets just throw in an election and put a bomb under the government, what great timing given Labour is also in disarray.

This is a remain plot for sure. Tobias is all over it like a cheap rash.

If we can change PM during WW2 and if the french can hold presidential elections then we can get rid of a bumbling idiot and put someone (possibly) competent in charge to deal with all those issues.

It's a shit excuse to say "oh, we're a bit busy at the moment so let's just keep the floppy haired twat".

SleeplessInEngland · 06/06/2022 15:24

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:16

We have covid
We have Monkey pox
We have a war in Europe
We have Russians threatening nuclear war and to nuke us personally
We have a cost of living crisis spiralling out of control
We have so many problems I can't even be bothered to list

And hey lets just throw in an election and put a bomb under the government, what great timing given Labour is also in disarray.

This is a remain plot for sure. Tobias is all over it like a cheap rash.

You've completely abandoned your previous 'both sides are as bad as each other' position then?

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:25

Dissolving a government now would be bad, very bad for all of us. Especially with the huge amount of uncertainty and it would be very distablising for the markets, investments, the policies to help people with their bills, for Ukraine - everything!
It would be bad for democracy full stop. Johnson was voted in far and square and almost everyone has been fined re partygate, so he would not be replaced with someone with better ethics lets face it.

This is about brexit again, not partygate.

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:26

Well both sides are as bad as each other! I don't think anyone would argue with that!

CapMarvel · 06/06/2022 15:26

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:25

Dissolving a government now would be bad, very bad for all of us. Especially with the huge amount of uncertainty and it would be very distablising for the markets, investments, the policies to help people with their bills, for Ukraine - everything!
It would be bad for democracy full stop. Johnson was voted in far and square and almost everyone has been fined re partygate, so he would not be replaced with someone with better ethics lets face it.

This is about brexit again, not partygate.

Nope, it's not. Sorry.

pointythings · 06/06/2022 15:27

This is a remain plot for sure.

That ship has sailed - the EU wouldn't have us back now if we begged.

This is pure Tory spite, division and incompetence. Own it. They did it to Thatcher, they did it to Major, now they're doing it to Johnson - this is who they are.

SleeplessInEngland · 06/06/2022 15:28

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:26

Well both sides are as bad as each other! I don't think anyone would argue with that!

Dissolving a government now would be bad, very bad for all of us.

The government will still exist, it's merely the changing of a leader. We've done it before during much worse.

Well both sides are as bad as each other! I don't think anyone would argue with that!

Many here would. Convenient that 'both sides are as bad as each other' is taken as an excuse for Johnson to stay on though, eh?

PestorPeston · 06/06/2022 15:30

This is what his own team think of him...

"Dear Boris,

"As you know, I have supported you throughout your career in politics: for Mayor of London in 2007-8 and 2012 and for Leader in 2016 and 2019.

"As Prime Minister you have been dealt a very difficult hand with Covid and Ukraine, and you deserve great credit for much of the way in which the Government has handled these twin crises. Your recent visit to Kyiv was a conspicuous act of leadership.

"When I stepped down from the Treasury last September, you raised the topic of the next reshuffle, and we discussed the potential for me to run a department of state.

"I have always been deeply committed to public service. But recent events have served to clarify the position this country is in under your leadership, beyond any doubt; and I am afraid I can see no circumstance in which I could serve in a government led by you.

"First, as Sue Gray's report underlines, you have presided over a culture of casual law-breaking at 10 Downing Street in relation to Covid. To describe yourself as "vindicated" by the report is grotesque.

"Secondly, both in the Queen's Speech and elsewhere, your current policy priorities are deeply questionable. Breach of the Northern Ireland Protocol would be economically very damaging, politically foolhardy, and almost certainly illegal.

"You are the leader of the Conservative and Unionist party, yet you are putting the Union itself gravely at risk.

"The Rwanda policy is ugly, likely to be counterproductive and of doubtful legality. Privatisation of Channel 4 is an unnecessary and provocative attempt to address a political non-issue during a time of crisis, at significant cost to the independent UK film and TV industry.

"No genuinely Conservative government should have supported the recent ban on noisy protest - least of all when basic human freedoms are facing the threat of extinction in Ukraine.

"Thirdly, under you the Government seems to lack a sense of mission. It has a large majority, but no long-term plan. There is no sign, for example, that it has even begun to get to grips with the need for greater security and resilience in a range of policy areas.

"Rather, you are simply seeking to campaign, to keep changing the subject and to create political and cultural dividing lines mainly for your advantage, at a time when the economy is struggling, inflation is soaring and growth is anaemic at best.

"Sensible planning has been replaced by empty rhetoric. As a former Energy Minister I can tell you that there is, for example, zero chance that this or any government will be able to build a nuclear power station a year at any point in the next decade.

"Worse still: you are apparently trying to import elements of a presidential system of government that is entirely foreign to our constitution and law.

"But you are not a president, and you have no mandate other that as an MP, and from the confidence of your colleagues. Attempts to centralise powers in 10 Downing Street are not merely yet another ill-advised political distraction, but almost certain to compound and accelerate the problems listed above.

"In my judgement, all these things are at odds with a decent, proper conservatism: with effective teamwork, careful reform, a sense of integrity, respect for the rule of law and a long-term focus on the public good.

"Neither the Conservative party nor this country can afford to squander the next two years adrift and distracted by endless debate about you and your leadership.

"For you to prolong this charade by remaining in office not only insults the electorate, and the tens of thousands of people who support, volunteer, represent, and campaign for our party; it makes a decisive change of government at the next election much more likely. This is potentially catastrophic for the country.

"For these reasons, and with great sadness, I am withdrawing my support for you as leader, and I have notified this to the Chairman of the 1922 Committee.

"I leave it to our colleagues to decide where they stand in relation to these concerns. For the avoidance of doubt, however, this is not a leadership bid.

"As ever, Jesse"

jgw1 · 06/06/2022 15:35

idiotfacelicker · 06/06/2022 15:11

ND and BJ are together absolutely killing the Tory brand (such as it was anyway). This vote really is a win/win.

Has Fabricant been out and about today as well?

MarshaBradyo · 06/06/2022 15:36

PestorPeston · 06/06/2022 15:30

This is what his own team think of him...

"Dear Boris,

"As you know, I have supported you throughout your career in politics: for Mayor of London in 2007-8 and 2012 and for Leader in 2016 and 2019.

"As Prime Minister you have been dealt a very difficult hand with Covid and Ukraine, and you deserve great credit for much of the way in which the Government has handled these twin crises. Your recent visit to Kyiv was a conspicuous act of leadership.

"When I stepped down from the Treasury last September, you raised the topic of the next reshuffle, and we discussed the potential for me to run a department of state.

"I have always been deeply committed to public service. But recent events have served to clarify the position this country is in under your leadership, beyond any doubt; and I am afraid I can see no circumstance in which I could serve in a government led by you.

"First, as Sue Gray's report underlines, you have presided over a culture of casual law-breaking at 10 Downing Street in relation to Covid. To describe yourself as "vindicated" by the report is grotesque.

"Secondly, both in the Queen's Speech and elsewhere, your current policy priorities are deeply questionable. Breach of the Northern Ireland Protocol would be economically very damaging, politically foolhardy, and almost certainly illegal.

"You are the leader of the Conservative and Unionist party, yet you are putting the Union itself gravely at risk.

"The Rwanda policy is ugly, likely to be counterproductive and of doubtful legality. Privatisation of Channel 4 is an unnecessary and provocative attempt to address a political non-issue during a time of crisis, at significant cost to the independent UK film and TV industry.

"No genuinely Conservative government should have supported the recent ban on noisy protest - least of all when basic human freedoms are facing the threat of extinction in Ukraine.

"Thirdly, under you the Government seems to lack a sense of mission. It has a large majority, but no long-term plan. There is no sign, for example, that it has even begun to get to grips with the need for greater security and resilience in a range of policy areas.

"Rather, you are simply seeking to campaign, to keep changing the subject and to create political and cultural dividing lines mainly for your advantage, at a time when the economy is struggling, inflation is soaring and growth is anaemic at best.

"Sensible planning has been replaced by empty rhetoric. As a former Energy Minister I can tell you that there is, for example, zero chance that this or any government will be able to build a nuclear power station a year at any point in the next decade.

"Worse still: you are apparently trying to import elements of a presidential system of government that is entirely foreign to our constitution and law.

"But you are not a president, and you have no mandate other that as an MP, and from the confidence of your colleagues. Attempts to centralise powers in 10 Downing Street are not merely yet another ill-advised political distraction, but almost certain to compound and accelerate the problems listed above.

"In my judgement, all these things are at odds with a decent, proper conservatism: with effective teamwork, careful reform, a sense of integrity, respect for the rule of law and a long-term focus on the public good.

"Neither the Conservative party nor this country can afford to squander the next two years adrift and distracted by endless debate about you and your leadership.

"For you to prolong this charade by remaining in office not only insults the electorate, and the tens of thousands of people who support, volunteer, represent, and campaign for our party; it makes a decisive change of government at the next election much more likely. This is potentially catastrophic for the country.

"For these reasons, and with great sadness, I am withdrawing my support for you as leader, and I have notified this to the Chairman of the 1922 Committee.

"I leave it to our colleagues to decide where they stand in relation to these concerns. For the avoidance of doubt, however, this is not a leadership bid.

"As ever, Jesse"

Shame re last line. Maybe he should have gone for it

jgw1 · 06/06/2022 15:36

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:25

Dissolving a government now would be bad, very bad for all of us. Especially with the huge amount of uncertainty and it would be very distablising for the markets, investments, the policies to help people with their bills, for Ukraine - everything!
It would be bad for democracy full stop. Johnson was voted in far and square and almost everyone has been fined re partygate, so he would not be replaced with someone with better ethics lets face it.

This is about brexit again, not partygate.

Dissolving a government might indeed be very bad, but we do not have a functioning government, we have a bunch of chances who need regular drinks and parties.

PigletJohn · 06/06/2022 15:40

I've seen a report that Downing Street seems to be advising Johnson is dumped for the good of the country.

It says:

"Downing Street said in a statement: “Tonight is a chance to end months of speculation and allow the government to draw a line and move on, delivering on the people’s priorities."

EmilyBolton · 06/06/2022 15:42

felulageller · 06/06/2022 08:35

There's no decent alternative in the Tory party.

Bullocks…any party can do as good a job as the Torres are making of running this country into the ground…but they might be more honest about their limitations.

ShandaLear · 06/06/2022 15:46

He’d have got away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling boos. One of the reasons he’s got away with it up until now is because he’s traditionally been inexplicably popular with certain sections of the electorate who would never have tolerated Theresa May doing the same. He has achieved almost mythical status because he ‘got Brexit done’ (the fact that he’s completely ballsed it up notwithstanding). Many men like the fact that he’s a heavy drinking philanderer - gives them something to aspire to. He may even have been able to outrun the Sue Gray report while we were distracted by imperial measures.

However, the booing at the weekend may have woken up many of the party faithful. It has likely galvanised their view that he has become a liability. One would expect that Saturday’s traditional, monarch loving crowd would be quite sympathetic towards Boris Johnson but if he can’t get support from them then he’s on a sticky wicket. Tories can forgive anything except the risk of losing an election. I think he’ll probably win tonight, but I don’t think it will be a resounding victory, and he’ll come away damaged further, but will limp on until someone calls another vote of no confidence and puts him out of his misery. It would be in Labour’s interest to keep him as PM for another year to give them time to get their act together and start behaving like a government in waiting which they are still not doing.

Lonelycrab · 06/06/2022 15:51

This is about brexit again, not partygate

Blimey that’s some impressive mental gymnastics you got going on there. Of course it isn’t.

It’s about Johnson and his morals, his trustworthiness and his leadership… or lack of, should I say.

Nothing to do with anyone than Johnson himself.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/06/2022 15:51

forinborin · 06/06/2022 13:10

I really hope he stays.

Me too.😆😆😆

idiotfacelicker · 06/06/2022 15:54

Times are tough when you're Team Hunt 😳

ShandaLear · 06/06/2022 15:56

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/06/2022 15:26

Well both sides are as bad as each other! I don't think anyone would argue with that!

I think everyone would argue with that. Even previous conservative administrations have never been this bad. No other party can be this bad because they’re not in power. They can’t make decisions of behalf of the UK. Conservatives, with Boris Johnson at the helm, can and have, and too many of them have been terrible decisions that, if they don’t distance themselves from him, will cost them the next election.

TimBoothseyes · 06/06/2022 15:58

It really comes down to a simple choice for the Conservatives. Do they a) keep him as leader and risk losing the votes of the people, or, b) get rid and hopefully restore some faith in the party? As long as he is in charge, the floating voters will be lost and a large % of their usual voters. At least that's what I think anyway.