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To be shocked by the leavers jumpers

270 replies

Itsmytreehouse · 01/06/2022 14:48

My dd is leaving primary school this July and we have been sent a link to order leaver jumpers.
The design has their school name and year on the front in large letters and on the back their teachers name and class mates names (including surname) with hand written messages of good luck printed all over.
I might be over reacting but I’m seeing it as a safeguarding concern that these kids will be wearing them around showing their name and school in public. (They’ve been asked to wear them to school for all next term as part of their leavers production outfit)
Should I point this out to the school or forget about it?

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KingofLoss · 01/06/2022 16:36

YANBU. I wouldn't be happy with my kid having his full name on that.

JustLyra · 01/06/2022 16:44

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 16:34

To whom??? Assuming everyone has consented to having their name on there, what possible issue is there? If you’re in witness protection, decline to put your kids name on it. Done.

Why are you assuming everyone has consented when the OP is clearly a parent who hasn’t consented?

JustLyra · 01/06/2022 16:45

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 16:26

What on earth is the issue with having some names on a jumper then?

The exact same reasons some kids names don’t ever appear in the paper or online associated with their school.

a family fleeing DV for one example. There are many reasons. It’s basic safeguarding.

The parents haven’t even been asked for consent

Scurryfunge12 · 01/06/2022 16:50

I think everyone’s gone bonkers over things like this. I know we have to protect kids but I think there’s such thing as worrying too much. Just calm down a bit. It’s unlikely anything will happen. It’s the names of the entire school year in small letters.

mathanxiety · 01/06/2022 16:51

All it takes is
"hi little boy, my son John Smith goes to your school, do you know him? Let's go find out if he wants to go to mcdonalds with you. get in the car"
very easy when school name, class, teachers name and the names of all of your school chums are on your hoodie

The kid will have left the school. It's a leavers' hoodie.

And at 11 or 12, a child really should be more aware of ploys to get him or her into a car than you expect them to be.

MassiveSalad22 · 01/06/2022 16:52

I left school in 2008 and we had these, it’s not new (obviously that wasn’t primary though).

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 16:52

JustLyra · 01/06/2022 16:45

The exact same reasons some kids names don’t ever appear in the paper or online associated with their school.

a family fleeing DV for one example. There are many reasons. It’s basic safeguarding.

The parents haven’t even been asked for consent

Then the issue is that they haven’t asked the parents for consent not the leavers jumper or names itself. It that’s not why op or others claim to be “shocked”

JustLyra · 01/06/2022 16:53

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 16:52

Then the issue is that they haven’t asked the parents for consent not the leavers jumper or names itself. It that’s not why op or others claim to be “shocked”

It’s fair enough to be shocked that something like this is being done in the school either unchecked by the school or allowed by then when it’s a basic safeguarding no-no and a consent issue

JustLyra · 01/06/2022 16:54

Scurryfunge12 · 01/06/2022 16:50

I think everyone’s gone bonkers over things like this. I know we have to protect kids but I think there’s such thing as worrying too much. Just calm down a bit. It’s unlikely anything will happen. It’s the names of the entire school year in small letters.

It’s a primary school hoodie - it’s not going to be 100+ names like a secondary one

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 16:55

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 16:52

Then the issue is that they haven’t asked the parents for consent not the leavers jumper or names itself. It that’s not why op or others claim to be “shocked”

Also what are tha “many reasons”?

lanthanum · 01/06/2022 16:55

FIrst and last name and school year are enough to work out the school email address of kids in our local secondary.

WiddlinDiddlin · 01/06/2022 17:01

Yeah I am baffled as to the reasons why this is so so dangerous.

I doubt any kid is using their school email address for personal stuff, nor are they using it after they leave school. SO thats a very limited window of opportunity to contact someone and ... with ALL the names on the top, how on earth does the potential groomer-kiddie-snatcher work out WHICH kid they're emailing?

Er and aren't all these kids wandering about wearing a bag, jumper, shirt, trousers/skirt/pants with their full name sewn or written in to prevent loss/theft of clothing/items?
Some of which are items they will leave lying around in public of course, whilst they play in the park or whatever.

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 17:01

JustLyra · 01/06/2022 16:53

It’s fair enough to be shocked that something like this is being done in the school either unchecked by the school or allowed by then when it’s a basic safeguarding no-no and a consent issue

Op doesn’t claim to be shocked because of a lack of consent though. And other than for a few potentially vulnerable children who may have reasons not to consent, I can’t see what safeguarding issues there could be. children at dds school are regularly on twitter and Facebook as long as their parents consent. It’s not an issue.

Highlyquestionablehoumous · 01/06/2022 17:03

neverbeenskiing · 01/06/2022 15:32

hi little boy, my son John Smith goes to your school, do you know him? Let's go find out if he wants to go to mcdonalds with you. get in the car

I understand where you're coming from but I think this is a bit of a stretch. By your logic if the hoodie just had first names on surely they could just say "my son John is in your class...etc". I don't think the last name would make a child more or less likely to get in the car. A child of that age would either know not to get in the car with a stranger and have the capacity to understand that risk or they wouldn't. Either way it's a pretty high risk strategy on the part of the perpetrator, whar if the child has met John's Dad? That's why the vast majority of paedophiles abuse children who are well known to them, the risk of detection is lower because they already have the child's trust and don't have to resort to these kinds of strategies.

What if the child he has targeted is actually John! Grin

Villagewaspbyke · 01/06/2022 17:04

lanthanum · 01/06/2022 16:55

FIrst and last name and school year are enough to work out the school email address of kids in our local secondary.

Gosh well no other easier way anyone else could ever contact children online or irl. Oh wait, there are about a million.

you don’t wvwn know the kids from primary Have go to the secondary. It’s nonsense.

caringcarer · 01/06/2022 17:04

My son's had first name only. We got him one CV costing £23 and he wore it about 4 times. He did not like it.

Foolsrule · 01/06/2022 17:08

God forbid someone think about safeguarding. Of course they should be first names only. 🙄 at all those on here who seem to think safeguarding is a joke. I imagine you’re the same posters who are up in arms about the latest spate of child murders.

I agree with you, OP.

ancientgran · 01/06/2022 17:10

Unless a child has a unique name I don't see the risk. I wouldn't say my name is very common but if you search it on facebook there are quite a few of us.

ancientgran · 01/06/2022 17:13

Foolsrule · 01/06/2022 17:08

God forbid someone think about safeguarding. Of course they should be first names only. 🙄 at all those on here who seem to think safeguarding is a joke. I imagine you’re the same posters who are up in arms about the latest spate of child murders.

I agree with you, OP.

Weren't most (maybe all) of the recent child murders done by parents or step parents?

sleepyhoglet · 01/06/2022 17:14

Breaking gdpr rules

lameasahorse · 01/06/2022 17:16

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elfycat · 01/06/2022 17:17

I think you could identify DD2 by her leavers hoody. There are only 2 primary schools in the country that match her school name as written on the front of the hoody. She is the only child with her name in the year (the diminutive version in larger font across the top is a common match with her first name - and further down the writing is her full name including surname).

We went into London to a museum and I made sure she understood how easily I could find that information out. She was to ensure that if anyone greeted her by name and said I'd sent them to talk to her, she was to ask for our agreed password. If anyone ever attempts this and fails to give the password DDs know to find someone in authority, or start yelling to get maximum attention.

I don't think they're great from a safeguarding perspective.

ancientgran · 01/06/2022 17:18

familyissues12345 · 01/06/2022 16:26

I arranged our year 6 hoodies, no surnames and it was the parents choice if their child's name was in bigger letters on their back.

Our school wouldn't allow surnames and rightly so in my opinion. It's just not needed ?!

Well the jumpers aren't needed are they. How many kids wear them? I never see them after the last week of term. University ones get more wear in my experience.

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ItsLisaLou · 01/06/2022 17:19

I’ve owned three leavers’ hoodies since the late 90s (for primary, secondary and college). All with full names displayed. No one ever took issue that I was aware of, but a few of the secondary parents requested to have their kids’ names left off (I remember because one was a friend of mine).

Surely that’s the solution - i.e. to ask which parents are comfortable or uncomfortable with it, not to ban the hoodies altogether.