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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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EmeraldShamrock1 · 01/06/2022 11:25

I think you both just sound knackered and resentful which is pretty standard when you have a young child. Nobody wants to be the person constantly trying to swap shifts so I don't blame him for that, it looks really unprofessional. It sounds like you could do with a period of sick leave if your mental health isn't good.
If time off is an option I'd try for that.
I agree you're both exhausted, it compounds everything and resentment builds fast the mental stress is overpowering when competing.
It gets easier.
Hang in there. 💐

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 12:48

@dillydally24

You seem to really relate to where I'm coming from. Thanks for your thoughtful and helpful post.

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 12:57

Onwards22 · 01/06/2022 09:47

I have never once mentioned going away with friends. Where have you got this from?!

So you’re not ok with him doing a night shift at work but you’ll be ok with him going away with friends?

It's not relevant because it hasn't come up. If it did we would make it work. Presumably it would be a weekend when he wanted to go so I'd be off work. If it was mid week I'd probably fake leave, I don't know.

I'm not sure why you're asking me to resolve hypothetical problems that haven't happened. I honestly have enough actual problems without adding hypothetical ones.

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 12:58

*take leave

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 13:01

@EmeraldShamrock1

Thank you

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EmeraldShamrock1 · 01/06/2022 13:30

So you’re not ok with him doing a night shift at work but you’ll be ok with him going away with friends? 🙄
Very different scenarios.
I worked the night shifts for years I'd no idea of the true impact on family left until lockdown.

It's extremely difficult for both partners there is no break or evenings to chill together.

When you are free you're playing catch up while both partners long for a break.

An occasional weekend away is different.

He needs to change jobs or OP get PT work if financially viable.

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 13:33

@puffalo

As someone who has also been through the horrors of PND, I'm taken aback by your seeming lack of empathy for a fellow sufferer of this awful illness. I'm genuinely sorry you suffered too. But I'm sure at the time you had people supporting and being kind to you, and I'm sure that aided your recovery. I'm sure "harsh" was not what you needed when you reached out to others.

I'm realising I should definitely not have posted on AIBU. It's fucking awful on here and honestly it's made me feel (mostly) a lot worse. Some of the comments - only a matter of time before my partner leaves me, etc - the suggestion I'm exaggerating/lying about my job, the comments implying I am selfish, that I don't let my partner go away with friends, that I am "using my mental health" to "guilt trip" him... I could go on. It's nothing short of bullying and it's imo absolutely disgusting. (I'm not saying you personally have done these things - that's a summary of the worst).

And this is a woman who openly says her mental health isn't great. To the extent of hospitalisation last year. People sit behind their screens and derive pleasure from making that person feel so much worse. It's sad. Really sad. And worrying, actually. I can see how it could push someone less resilient to the point of wanting to harm themselves or worse.

I won't be posting here again.

I will leave it there.

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 13:36

Karwomannghia · 01/06/2022 08:18

He shouldn’t have dealt such a low blow purely because he was ready to go to work and probably tired and felt burdened already. Sometimes they go straight to the jugular because it’s there. Those things are so easy to throw out but can be so hurtful for the recipient.
Glad it’s sorted now.
Also, having read through your responses on this thread you’ve held your own very well despite having lots of criticism. You’re coming across as resilient which is great.

I missed this. Thank you.
I have had to build a ridiculously resilient exterior when I had a break down last year. I couldn't leave my baby without a mum. I had to do it. I did it. I'm still standing and breathing and fighting. I won't ever give up fighting - for my baby's sake.

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Hercisback · 01/06/2022 13:51

OP I think some of your MH issues are you expecting the worst case scenario all the time. Your comments about your work could count as exaggeration to begin with, compared to what later posts explained. Your work is clearly intense and can have consequences at particular times, but that is not all the time every day (which is the impression you first gave, intentionally or not).

I don't think anyone gets pleasure from making you feel upset or worse. There is a place for you to appreciate what you do have, and how you could change things to make them better. A lot of your posts were unwilling to consider changes, especially with your 1yo sleep which to an outsider it seems would sort a lot of your issues. If the therapist hadn't commented on your trauma around crying would you sleep train? You've attached a lot of weight to one comment. The therapist can't possibly evaluate your whole life circumstances.

All things considered I don't think either of you is unreasonable. I think neither of you understands the other person's struggles.

Hang in there. It does get better eventually.

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 14:25

@Hercisback

I'm not entirely sure how I gave the impression you describe. Perhaps people made that assumption? I certainly didn't say "all day every day". I said it's a high pressured, high demand role, which it is. And that there are consequences and risks to safety associated with things going wrong, which there are.

With regard to sleep training, I don't think I could. Leaving my baby to cry is just not something that sits well at all with me. Not just because my therapist made that particular comment - what she actually did was helped me to make the link and understand why I find DD crying intolerable and hugely anxiety provoking and why I rush to make it better instantly and couldn't leave her (linked my own childhood trauma). I feel this way regardless, my therapist just helped me to understand why. So I'm almost certain sleep training isn't going to be something I can do.

As I said, maybe we can revisit it and maybe I can explore methods that don't make me feel physically unwell. But I doubt it.

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 14:26

Just to add, DP doesn't have my trauma history and he isn't keen either on the idea of sleep training.

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Hercisback · 01/06/2022 14:33

Sleep training isn't leaving babies to cry. You need to investigate beyond that. There are gentle methods. There's also a difference between full on crying and a bit of a pre sleep whinge.

The way you worded it implied your job was like that at all times. Later it's clear that isn't the case because you managed to post on MN multiple times. If I had such a job with those consequences I wouldn't be taking my eye off the ball in the middle of the day. You later explained that the pressure comes and goes.

MRex · 01/06/2022 14:45

I'm sure you've had enough input on most things, a therapist would really help and I hope you get one soon.
The only thing to add, given DD's age is she teething? Try baby ibuprofen if so, it would send DS to sleep even on bad teething nights and he'd then sleep through. (The very worst nights he had calpol, ibuprofen and liquid anbesol - and then we all had sleep!)

Anonymous48 · 01/06/2022 14:45

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 14:25

@Hercisback

I'm not entirely sure how I gave the impression you describe. Perhaps people made that assumption? I certainly didn't say "all day every day". I said it's a high pressured, high demand role, which it is. And that there are consequences and risks to safety associated with things going wrong, which there are.

With regard to sleep training, I don't think I could. Leaving my baby to cry is just not something that sits well at all with me. Not just because my therapist made that particular comment - what she actually did was helped me to make the link and understand why I find DD crying intolerable and hugely anxiety provoking and why I rush to make it better instantly and couldn't leave her (linked my own childhood trauma). I feel this way regardless, my therapist just helped me to understand why. So I'm almost certain sleep training isn't going to be something I can do.

As I said, maybe we can revisit it and maybe I can explore methods that don't make me feel physically unwell. But I doubt it.

After many pages this is the first time I've seen you address the issue of your child not sleeping through the night, despite the fact that from what you've written, resolving this would make a huge difference to your quality of life and your marriage.

I don't think anyone suggested leaving your baby to cry!

What I, and many others, suggested is that you look at ways to address the issue. A one year old (assuming no special needs) should be able to consistently sleep through the night.

Blarting · 01/06/2022 15:18

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 14:26

Just to add, DP doesn't have my trauma history and he isn't keen either on the idea of sleep training.

There is more than CIO when sleep training.

dillydally24 · 01/06/2022 15:20

Anonymous48 · 01/06/2022 14:45

After many pages this is the first time I've seen you address the issue of your child not sleeping through the night, despite the fact that from what you've written, resolving this would make a huge difference to your quality of life and your marriage.

I don't think anyone suggested leaving your baby to cry!

What I, and many others, suggested is that you look at ways to address the issue. A one year old (assuming no special needs) should be able to consistently sleep through the night.

OP, don't get sucked in by comments that a 1 year old "should" sleep through the night. Some do, some don't. My DC1 didn't until he was over 2 years old. We tried sleep training on several occasions. It didn't work and made me really stressed and unhappy. Ultimately, he ended up sleeping through eventually and now at nearly 3 is a fantastic sleeper. It worked out for us in the end. I'm sure it will for you. Hang on in there. And do think about a night nanny. The expense may seem high, but it can be worth it if it keeps body and soul together.

Anonymous48 · 01/06/2022 15:39

@dillydally24

I do think it's unusual, although of course not unheard of, for a neurotypical child not to be consistently sleeping through the night.

The thing that blows my mind though, is that this is such a huge issue for this family, supposedly at the root of all of their problems, yet they haven't made any attempts to address it.

Toddlerteaplease · 01/06/2022 15:47

I'd be very annoyed at being expected to swap shifts just be cause I don't have children. I'm also entitled to a life.

dillydally24 · 01/06/2022 15:49

Anonymous48 · 01/06/2022 15:39

@dillydally24

I do think it's unusual, although of course not unheard of, for a neurotypical child not to be consistently sleeping through the night.

The thing that blows my mind though, is that this is such a huge issue for this family, supposedly at the root of all of their problems, yet they haven't made any attempts to address it.

I guess we don't know what attempts have been made to address it. Even if none have been made, I can understand how that can happen amidst the whirlwind of first-time parenthood, especially if one parent has had to deal with a mental health crisis. However, I agree, it would be good to see if something can be done about the sleep issue. It's just hard to know what - as my very experienced nanny says, some children "are just that way out"!

Anonymous48 · 01/06/2022 15:51

dillydally24 · 01/06/2022 15:49

I guess we don't know what attempts have been made to address it. Even if none have been made, I can understand how that can happen amidst the whirlwind of first-time parenthood, especially if one parent has had to deal with a mental health crisis. However, I agree, it would be good to see if something can be done about the sleep issue. It's just hard to know what - as my very experienced nanny says, some children "are just that way out"!

She said earlier that no attempts have been made.

Elsiebear90 · 01/06/2022 16:02

I think YABU tbh, it sounds like he already does a lot to accommodate your mental health issues with doing the majority of night wakings and rearranging shifts, your mental health problems are not his job’s problem, they’re yours. If you can’t manage your job because you occasionally have to wake up with your child in the night then that’s your issue to solve, you’re making his responsibility when it’s not.

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 16:14

@Anonymous48

I said no attempts at sleep training methods have been tried.

We have of course tried in other ways to alleviate our stress. Co sleeping on the worst nights for example. Trying to limit day time naps where possible etc. Nothing has helped significantly so far. But we haven't just passively done nothing.

@dillydally24 - you are totally on my wavelength and you get it. Thank you.

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 16:16

OP, don't get sucked in by comments that a 1 year old "should" sleep through the night.

I'm not, don't worry. I have many friends and colleagues with stories of their sometimes 3 year olds still waking at night. It's far more common than people realise.

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Anonymous48 · 01/06/2022 16:24

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 16:14

@Anonymous48

I said no attempts at sleep training methods have been tried.

We have of course tried in other ways to alleviate our stress. Co sleeping on the worst nights for example. Trying to limit day time naps where possible etc. Nothing has helped significantly so far. But we haven't just passively done nothing.

@dillydally24 - you are totally on my wavelength and you get it. Thank you.

I don't understand. You say you haven't tried any sleep training methods, but now you're saying you have tried things like co-sleeping or limiting daytime naps. So you have tried some things?

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 16:29

I took "sleep training" to mean CIO/ Ferber / controlled crying etc. basically anything involving ignoring cries at night we have not done.

If co sleeping and trying to limit day time sleeping count as sleep training methods then I guess we've tried sleep training! 🤷‍♀️

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