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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 22:03

It's not the same. When I'm solo it's all on me with no back up at all. If he's home we can share it at least. I can try to doze on and off while he settles her, even if the initial crying has woken me. It's not ideal but it's better than being the only person available to see to her in the night and having no support at all.

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EverydayIsPJday · 31/05/2022 22:04

Most of the night wakings. Not all.
And I'll be awake too, regardless, even if he's the one physically settling her

I'd say most parents are in this situation in respect to being awake even if not settling. I atleast have been for 5 years.

What are YOU also prepared to do for the relationship to work. Not all of this is on him.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 22:04

Acheyknees · 31/05/2022 22:03

OP, it's hard when you're sleep deprived and it's easy to take it out on one another when you are both trying to do your best. It's sounds like you'll both have some time off during the summer so that's something to look forward to.
Don't waste energy and time on pointless 'how would you manage being a single parent?'.
It's sounds like you both work long hours and are tired. Look forward to your time off together. Neither of you are unreasonable.

Thank you

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Blarting · 31/05/2022 22:06

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 22:03

It's not the same. When I'm solo it's all on me with no back up at all. If he's home we can share it at least. I can try to doze on and off while he settles her, even if the initial crying has woken me. It's not ideal but it's better than being the only person available to see to her in the night and having no support at all.

So again, why not let him do week of nights, then start the sleep training for the next three weeks when he or both of you are off?

Onwards22 · 31/05/2022 22:10

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whowhatwerewhy · 31/05/2022 22:18

t's not the same. When I'm solo it's all on me with no back up at all. If he's home we can share it at least. I can try to doze on and off while he settles her, even if the initial crying has woken me. It's not ideal but it's better than being the only person available to see to her in the night and having no support at all.

So your awake anyway, but you just can't cope on your own.

Buttercupsx · 31/05/2022 22:19

A bit left field…but could you downsize…reduce your outgoings and restructure finances to offer a more long term solution. More money gives you more options. It sounds you are at breaking point with few options on the table. Maybe something more radical could allow you both to work in your current jobs but without the stress of overtime, lack of childcare…etc

puffalo · 31/05/2022 22:25

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 22:03

It's not the same. When I'm solo it's all on me with no back up at all. If he's home we can share it at least. I can try to doze on and off while he settles her, even if the initial crying has woken me. It's not ideal but it's better than being the only person available to see to her in the night and having no support at all.

So many parents have to do it solo, though?

Obviously single parents have it incredibly hard in this regard, but a lot of couples do it too. There are plenty of days in the working week where my partner is on a late shift til 1am and I had started work that morning for 6am (ie up before 5am). When I get home at 3 I have the kids from the second I get in the door. Some nights one, or both of them, either struggle to get to sleep at a decent time, or sleep well then wake up. Or one wakes the other one then you’ve got two upset, grizzly, exhausted babies/toddlers. And then more often than not, one of us is up again at 5am the next morning for another 9h shift, so they can’t really be expected to stay up all night with the kids as they’ve work in 4 hours. (Also for anyone saying this is illegal, both of us have signed a WTD contract so it doesn’t apply).

A lot of people don’t have the ability to WFH or have flexi hours in terms of when they start work. I don’t have the option of either.

Your situation isn’t ideal but it also is nowhere near the worst situation you could be in, either. It’s a very normal situation for many, many parents and their families. Very few people nowadays both have 9-5 Monday to Friday jobs with no overtime.

Onwards22 · 31/05/2022 22:26

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Feelingoktoday · 31/05/2022 23:41

All parents of young children are sleep deprived. I was exhausted and we had no help either - like many many families. One of you needs to consider changing jobs. You also need to do some sleep training. You both sound exhausted. Sounds like you both do 50:50. Having kids is exhausting.

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 05:41

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 05:42

@puffalo

That's great, but were you recovering from severe PND & trauma at the time?

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 05:44

Buttercupsx · 31/05/2022 22:19

A bit left field…but could you downsize…reduce your outgoings and restructure finances to offer a more long term solution. More money gives you more options. It sounds you are at breaking point with few options on the table. Maybe something more radical could allow you both to work in your current jobs but without the stress of overtime, lack of childcare…etc

Yes.. we could and we have considered this at our worst moments actually.

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stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 05:46

Your situation isn’t ideal but it also is nowhere near the worst situation you could be in, either.

This is about the least helpful and most invaliding statement anyone can make. You could apply this to literally anyone's struggles. But most people wouldn't say it because it's shitty and dismissive.

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Notfatundertall · 01/06/2022 06:00

puffalo · 31/05/2022 22:25

So many parents have to do it solo, though?

Obviously single parents have it incredibly hard in this regard, but a lot of couples do it too. There are plenty of days in the working week where my partner is on a late shift til 1am and I had started work that morning for 6am (ie up before 5am). When I get home at 3 I have the kids from the second I get in the door. Some nights one, or both of them, either struggle to get to sleep at a decent time, or sleep well then wake up. Or one wakes the other one then you’ve got two upset, grizzly, exhausted babies/toddlers. And then more often than not, one of us is up again at 5am the next morning for another 9h shift, so they can’t really be expected to stay up all night with the kids as they’ve work in 4 hours. (Also for anyone saying this is illegal, both of us have signed a WTD contract so it doesn’t apply).

A lot of people don’t have the ability to WFH or have flexi hours in terms of when they start work. I don’t have the option of either.

Your situation isn’t ideal but it also is nowhere near the worst situation you could be in, either. It’s a very normal situation for many, many parents and their families. Very few people nowadays both have 9-5 Monday to Friday jobs with no overtime.

Totally off topic but @puffalo you might want to look atvwhat you have signed. The WTD opt out only applies to the 48 hour working week. You cannot opt out of the 11 hour rest rule or the consecutive days bit.

CallMeNutribullet · 01/06/2022 06:21

Autumndays123 · 31/05/2022 10:38

I realise that read terribly

OPs DH literally does most of the night shifts with the baby whilst working full-time. OP has said that. Every few months he does a week of night shifts with work and OP wants him to stop so he can continue to do the bulk of the night shifts with the baby and work full-time so OP is well rested for her part-time job

Ops "part time job" pays more of the bills and is a highly stressful role in the medical profession. How condescending. Not to mention 32 hours is still considered full time

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 06:50

Every few months he does a week of night shifts with work and OP wants him to stop so he can continue to do the bulk of the night shifts with the baby

I'll amend that slightly...

OP wants him to ask at work if there is any support that can be offered around this given that sleep deprivation could be a significant risk factor in terms of MH deterioration for the mother of his child, and given we are a family unit therefore we should be working together to resolve it. OP would like him to view it as at least partly his issue to help work towards resolving, given any deterioration in her MH affects the entire family unit, rather than getting shitty and snappy with her when she raises it and asks for support. OP would also like him to stop referencing the fact he came home from work at the most scary and traumatic time of her life during an awful hospital admission (for which he has now apologised) as evidence of his "support". OP would overall just like to feel like more of a team with her DP rather than the bulk of the responsibility at home resting on her. OP feels she needs this in order to stay mentally well and continue to keep her job, and the family unit afloat as she has been.

That's a more accurate version.

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EverydayIsPJday · 01/06/2022 07:11

Think you are just out for a scrap now tbh. You're not even taking on board what people are saying. I guess you got the result you wanted (this time). People are trying to help you figure out what the long term solution is, as I said, you don't have one that is remotely sustainable. This is 'the new norm' having a young family, unless you get something to change. You seem focused on your partner's job as a solution to make things better for YOU. I ask again, what are YOU going to do to get the relationship/family to work. Or is it just a case your partner caves in to you every time until he leaves his job and probably resents you.

Sorry but like others have said you are starting to just sound controlling.

Somuddled · 01/06/2022 07:17

OP I hope this thread hasn't made things worse for you. It sounds very hard all round. Well done the progress you have made. My husband does night shifts every 3 weeks with no time off after and I really notice a difference in my mental health for that week. We cope by being really really prepared for that week.

If he doesn't feel able to change the shift (3 weeks off does sound appealing) perhaps there are other changes that could be made. You have used annual leave to cope with some so that's one tool. Swapping a shift (not July one but a future one is another tool. Are you able to buy in help? There are nannying services that do night care. Or a house keeper or mother's aid for the day time. Or a childminders who collects baby from you and takes them to childcare? Basically anything that will ease any of the jobs. Could his family be coached into being a tiny bit more helpful? Would someone from you family be able to come up?

If you are happy to post it here (or PM me if you are worried others may pick at it) exactly how thoes week go, like timings and stress points, I'd be happy to help identify options. Sometimes when it's your own life it can be so hard to see the options.

Living with poor mental health is hard, being married to someone with poor mental health is hard too. You're both experiencing a really tough year and probably not the start to your child's life you we're hoping for.

It wasn't great for him to say what he did. But I'd focus in the bigger picture of solution finding for now.

Blarting · 01/06/2022 07:19

Somuddled · 01/06/2022 07:17

OP I hope this thread hasn't made things worse for you. It sounds very hard all round. Well done the progress you have made. My husband does night shifts every 3 weeks with no time off after and I really notice a difference in my mental health for that week. We cope by being really really prepared for that week.

If he doesn't feel able to change the shift (3 weeks off does sound appealing) perhaps there are other changes that could be made. You have used annual leave to cope with some so that's one tool. Swapping a shift (not July one but a future one is another tool. Are you able to buy in help? There are nannying services that do night care. Or a house keeper or mother's aid for the day time. Or a childminders who collects baby from you and takes them to childcare? Basically anything that will ease any of the jobs. Could his family be coached into being a tiny bit more helpful? Would someone from you family be able to come up?

If you are happy to post it here (or PM me if you are worried others may pick at it) exactly how thoes week go, like timings and stress points, I'd be happy to help identify options. Sometimes when it's your own life it can be so hard to see the options.

Living with poor mental health is hard, being married to someone with poor mental health is hard too. You're both experiencing a really tough year and probably not the start to your child's life you we're hoping for.

It wasn't great for him to say what he did. But I'd focus in the bigger picture of solution finding for now.

The July shift has been swapped for days.

IWentAwayIStayedAway · 01/06/2022 07:21

can you take a week unpaid leave when he is doing nights and decamp to your family. then make up hours when he is off for 3 weeks?

cansu · 01/06/2022 07:34

I think you are perhaps being a little unfair. We are talking about a week in July. Maybe you and your partner need to work on getting your one year old into a decent sleep routine before then so that you can get a decent night's sleep.

Sparkles8912 · 01/06/2022 07:34

I really don’t know what you’re after on this thread to be honest. Unless people agree with you that your husband should be doing more you don’t engage.

People have tried offering lots of different suggestions but you are fixated on your husband having to change his job pattern / ideally his whole job.

Buttercupsx · 01/06/2022 07:37

stressedmum22 · 01/06/2022 05:44

Yes.. we could and we have considered this at our worst moments actually.

If you have posted here it sounds like you might be at one of those moments. In an earlier post you mentioned that mental health and family comes first… change of jobs is pretty much a non-negotiable. Take a look at your finances. Do you lease expensive cars, large mortgage…etc Sometimes people want it all (not saying that is you)…the new number plate, latest phone, nice house, a great career, holidays, a family, meals out, social life, good health both physical and mental. Going back to original point…it’s the overtime that is the immediate issue. The need for money is damaging your mental health, relationship and ultimately your family life. There have been 19 pages of consoling, friction and rejected ideas. Tackle the root of the problem…money

Innocenta · 01/06/2022 07:39

YABU. You don't seem able to accept any feedback that isn't sympathy. He has a right to have needs and preferences too, and it's still a relationship (presumably); he isn't there just to be a Support for OP's Mental Health. It was mean to mention the MBU in an unsupportive way and you did deserve an apology, but you can't unilaterally decide he isn't allowed to speak about your MH in general, or to express dissatisfaction with the split of work.

It very much sounds like your job is part of the problem here. But also, you speak about him and his job with a fair bit of disdain/superiority, and if that comes through in real life then I think he has every right to be annoyed.

Of course your MH is important, and so is your sleep. But it doesn't automatically trump everything else all of the time, forever. You still have to balance your needs with his.

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