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AIBU - BIL visiting

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Switchin · 29/05/2022 10:43

Posting in AIBU for traffic and advice - I'm absolutely certain AINBU. NC'd for this as it could be outing. Apologies that there's some background to this.

DW has 3 siblings, BIL1, BIL2 and SIL. Very close family, I get on well with everyone but BIL1 and BIL2 live abroad (in different countries from each other). MIL has always preferenced BILs as the golden children and SIL and DW were never prioritised - I think MIL potentially just prefers men because she's very similar with me and SIL's husband too (treats us as her surrogate sons etc).

DW is pregnant. She's had a seriously bad pregnancy with HG and other complications, spent a lot of time in hospital, on a lot of medication etc. She's been told she'll probably need to be induced at 38/39 weeks. She's now well into her 3rd trimester, and still weighs over a stone less than when we conceived (and she wasn't exactly huge to start with), and she's also in a wheelchair now (which has been really tough because she was very athletic before). To add stress to the situation, our house sale has been delayed and delayed and we're now scheduled to complete just 2 weeks before the due date.

BIL1 and his girlfriend have struggled TTC and are going through IVF. As a result, DW and I were told that we're not allowed to mention the pregnancy at all because it'll upset them - as far as we know, this message hasn't come from BIL1 or the girlfriend, but has been enforced by SIL and MIL. This means my wife has been in and out of hospital, really struggling and in a horrible place with no support from her family because they won't even discuss the pregnancy. No one talks about names or her bump or how anything is progressing. DW and I have both found this really isolating and difficult. For around the last six months, MIL has been trying to book a holiday to go away (abroad) with us and SIL's family (husband and children) this summer. The holiday would need to be in school holiday time for the children to go and this isn't possible for us because our due date is the start of August. Every time MIL brought it up and we tried to shut the idea down, we were reminded that we're not allowed to talk about the pregnancy.

Now, BIL2 (who's single) has announced that he's coming back to the UK from mid-July to mid-August. When he first announced this, although DW is obviously excited and happy to see him, DW was apprehensive about this because she knows it means a) a lot of obligation to spend time at MIL's house (where BIL is staying) which is many hours from our hospital and b) that she won't get any support or affection or help from MIL whilst BIL is here because he's the golden child and he'll be taking up 100% of her attention. MIL had agreed to look after our DS when DW is in labour but she's now saying she probably can't. It's also being suggested/implied that BIL will be staying with us (in our new house that's a renovation job) when the baby is born so he can "bond" - which DW and I both think will just add stress. DW didn't express any of this disappointment/frustration to her family but I think it was clear from her response that she wasn't enthralled that this had all been planned with no discussion with her and that she's, yet again, not being considered by her family.

DW has now been confronted by MIL and SIL about two issues. Firstly that BIL is upset that she isn't sufficiently excited that he's coming all the way back to the UK in order to be here for the birth. Keeping in mind that, at no point, did DW ever express that she wanted him here for the birth and his return flight is for two weeks after the due date so (if they don't induce the baby) there's a chance the baby might not even be here by the time he leaves! Secondly, they're annoyed because they've now booked a family holiday abroad (that MIL has been pushing for for months) and we're expected to "pay our share". It's booked from 3 days after the due date so, even if the baby is induced at 38 weeks (which is the earliest that they've said they'll induce) then the baby will only be two weeks old! The journey, door-to-door, will take over 12 hours to get to the resort. I tried pointing out that we wouldn't have a passport for the baby but they just sent links for how to pay lots for an on-the-day appointment. I then said that we don't have the capacity for a holiday at that time and that it's not feasible for us and now MIL and SIL are furious because we're ruining everything and apparently BIL is really upset that we're not going to be spending any time with him and he was really looking forward to this holiday.

The difficulty is that DW relies on SIL and MIL for support and friendship and she's really struggling being so isolated from them in this pregnancy. I'm prepared to be the bad guy who puts his foot down and says we cannot go but, unfortunately, they aren't accepting that I'm capable of locking DW up against her will - and DW doesn't want to cause a rift. It's also being thrown back in our face that when DS was six days old we travelled for a family wedding on my side (but that was, to my mind, different because the wedding was planned before the pregnancy, it was only a four hour journey each way, it wasn't abroad and the B&G were fully prepared for us to play it by ear and see if DW could make it - there was no pressure). As far as I'm concerned, my ILs are being completely unreasonable but DW would like to just smooth it all over.

Thank you and well done to those who managed to read this far.

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guerrillagirl · 29/05/2022 21:57

Yeah I don’t think the OP would be on here asking for advice if he wasn’t a decent guy. Plus it’s easy to become blind to the dysfunctional behaviour of your own family when you’ve grown up with it

Marvellousmadness · 29/05/2022 23:11

Yabu. For agreeing not to talk about the pregnancy. And for saying that wife "depends on mil and sil for friendship and companionship"???

What bs
Why haven't you cut ties with these people yet. Its rediculous that you are allowing them how to live your life

WingingItSince1973 · 30/05/2022 00:06

Your family is you, your wife and your dc. Your inlaws are extremely toxic and frankly beyond bonkers! Please please put your foot down for the sake of your poor wife and your newborn. She will honestly need time to rest and get her health back and your precious little baby needs to be settled into her home not whisked off abroad just to appease these weirdos that wouldn't even acknowledge her existence for 9 months. Please make this stand. You maybe surprised, they may realise they're unreasonable. I made the stand against my narc dm and even though we are close now I don't let her bully or guilt trip me anymore. I've learned to say no. Please do the same xxx

IDreamOfTheMoors · 30/05/2022 00:14

Besides being complete and utter toxic people, @Switchin, your in-laws are being utter bullies.
Your DW has been bullied for so long, she can’t recognize it any more.
You can.
Your first and your only duty is to protect your wife and your unborn child, since she seems unable to.
I’d do whatever it takes to do that, and to hell with anyone who gets in your way. Bullies are only as powerful as you allow them to be. Take away their power — simply refuse to be be bullied and refuse to allow them to bully your wife.
Stand your ground.
And congratulations on the new baby. I wish you and your wife all the best.

Robinni · 30/05/2022 00:47

Switchin · 29/05/2022 11:08

Thanks - glad to see I'm not completely insane.

The dynamic with MIL prioritising BILs over SIL and DW is definitely toxic but, in general, they aren't toxic people - which is why the situation is so tough. DW gets on really well with MIL and SIL and they're usually very close. There's no way that DW would cut contact and, truthfully, I do think the relationships with them are overall more positive than negative but this saga is definitely highlighting the very toxic element.

DW simply does not stand up for herself to them, which I understand is very difficult because it would definitely not be met with a rational or logical or reasonable response from them - it wouldn't go down well. She's also very cautious of what I say for the same reason, and because it's clear that if I'm saying no then I'm speaking for both of us so she wouldn't avoid backlash. DW would like to be able to smooth this over without any confrontation, especially considering how tough everything else is right now. I don't really know how best to support her because she wants to not have to deal with the stress of the BIL visit and holiday but also doesn't want to have any friction with her family (either way is going to cause her stress).

It's also very difficult for DW because she's a very, very determined person - she doesn't allow herself to be a burden or an obstacle so her family aren't used to her being obstructive. She's the one who makes sure things happen and go to plan. She doesn't like failing and she's feeling like she's failed here because she's saying she can't do something - and that's upsetting other people.

@Switchin

This sounds like faffery to me.

Your wife is pregnant and losing weight, she has been hospitalised but the pair of you are continuing to pussy foot around these relations as if their feelings matter more than your daughter.

Please do yourselves a favour and communicate to the family that

a) wife has been extremely ill
b) brother needs to find accommodation elsewhere
c) holiday cannot happen with a newborn; as somebody else said you need the birth certificate to get the passport and I’m not sure more flights will take such a young child. Besides it complete madness.

I want to emphasise this - all of this utter nonsense is risking the health of your wife and child with the stress it’s causing. They are being totally unreasonable and you need to emphasise to them how ill your wife has been and that the birth may be risky. There is no nicey nicey way around that I’m afraid. It’s the truth.

Mix56 · 30/05/2022 07:12

Actually, there is no chance in hell you will be able to get the paperwork to travel
But that aside, your wife could have complications, your baby is tiny & does not need to be exposed to 12 hours if travelling, & when you get to this place, wife will only be able to stay at home & recover.
Ask the doctor, ask the HV. They will all say No
So your wife simply has to say.

"Have any of you actually taken on board how ill I have been, I am in a fucking wheel chair, am underweight, I could die. Do you even care how incredibly ill I have been??
"The baby" , yes this forbidden word finally spoken, after your fawning over X who is sadly not pregnant, is precious, needs calm & to be in its own home environment.
No we cannot be joining you this holiday. We have already told you as much & obviously will not be paying for a holiday we have not agreed to go on in spite if the bullying.
Brother will not be "bonding" at our house, this is completely ridiculous, the only bonding will be between H, other DC & I, while I recover from my hideous pregnancy, and on top of that just having moved house,
I will not be catering, I will be recovering from this pregnancy & hoping my baby will be healthy.

Nobody decides what my family is doing, but myself, & H"

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