Part 6 keeping it civil - the Depp Heard jury is out

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hoping we can continue to discuss without unpleasantness - so far so good.

I think it was a little before that as the May 21st episode has signs of being staged to set up for the TRO. I think it was after the birthday episode - when Johnny told her he was leaving her and that it was over. I think from the April birthday episode onward, it was all a plan. I don't think she thought he would really leave her and I think initially she concoted this as an insurance policy to get him back / keep him from leaving. Then when he denied the extortion stuff and stuck true to his word, she went the TRO route to show him she would take him down if he didn't come back to her. SHe filed it on his daughter's birthday too - wanted to send a message. I think she still thought he would come back to her. But for Johnny, I think the night his mother died was the night he was 100% done with both of them.

Maybe I am mistaken like u said there was a lot of alleged incidents! I'm sure the make up artist/friend was there night before TRO

Yes u could be right

I don't belive she came up with this at beginning of her relationship i believe she came up with it the day he didn't agree to the give her 3 penthouses , $50,000 a month and a car. She was angry he wasn't doing what she wanted and she wanted to get him back. I belive her friends were with her. so make up artist , her sister and rocky and the guy was all there when she decided and they wanted to help. As they were obviously benefitting from living their lifestyle for free and didn't want it to end. So they agreed to lie and next day she went to court for TRO

That bit maybe. She decided to reveal it all for money.

But if you watch the trial there are numerous texts, emails and photos sent to friends and family where she claims he has hurt her right from the beginning. There are audiotapes where it is referred to throughout the relationship. There are picture of trashed apartments and notes in medical professionals documents that arguments happened. There are texts from his team stating he hurt her.

She didn't invent all this just in that small time frame. For the claims not be to true you have to believe they were all fake all the way through the relationship and the photos etc were all doctored all the way through and the audiotapes were all false. That this was done with her friends and family who went along with it all. That she was lying right from the start.

This is what I am struggling to believe and this is why I have reached the conclusion there was at least some abuse by JD.

Exactly. You only see the women who come forward. Precisely my point, if you haven't examined her you have no idea whether she was sexually assaulted. And as I've mentioned before, she didn't want to go public - in fact in one of the recorded conversations between Depp and Heard she says she doesn't want to get him into trouble. Why on earth would any woman make up a rape? It's incredibly rare for that to happen. Do you think she's doing it for clout or to make him out worse than he is? If so then surely she would have said something sooner and not kept it confidential even in the previous court case. Any motivation she might have to lie makes no sense in the context of a defamation case which she could quite easily win without that.

@mummyrocks1

I do think she ied to people throughout the relationship. Abusers do that. They want you to see them as the victim. It isn't an uncommon tactic. She has a history of throwing others under the bus to save herself. I think the lies were all part of covering for how she was treating him. She didn't want anyone to believe him if he said anything to anyone. She wanted to be sure the seeds where planted that he was abusive and she was a victim. She never says enough for any action to happen. I think she also weaponized his anger and substance use to her advantage - like the kitchen cupboard video. I think during the relationship it was all about control within the relationship - not a master plan to take him down publicly. Then when she started losing control of the relationship near the end - that is when she came up with a bigger plan and took it public

New runner- I am curious about how much of the trial you have actually watched? It sounds like very little. You are asking people to answer questions which can be answered if you watch the trial properly. I know it's long but I don't think I should have to fill all the blanks in for you because you haven't watched it. Maybe you have, but that's my impression. Try doing your own research before arguing your points.

I am talking about how band member. In the words of several of the witnesses- I can't recall. Which one. The witnesses himself stated that's why they don't talk anymore not me.

Wow! She's one manipulative, calculating and very clever women then. It's kind of gone girl like to have set the whole thing up. For me that's just too crazy to comprehend right from the beginning but I respect your opinion.

He mentions constantly about his drug use and how that's hurting her. Not see anything about abuse. The photos do not show abuse. And they are not reliable. Becausen of lack of metadata. They r of johnny alseep or passed out. The one photo she has a bruise on arm, she talked about how her face was punched repeatedly and then shows her arm brusied and nothing on face. She mentioned he pulled her on bed to get off him. The ex friend of johhnys u mention ,mention a bruise on arm not face. His friend who testified in court noted no injuries on her face and he kissed her on cheek she checked. The whole friends and family comment, her friends were living there free in a certain lifestyle so I don't belive them. Some of the text could of been doctored I wouldn't put it past them. And it's been told in friend of her sister that she was a victim of amber her whole life. So belive she would cover for her.

If that's the case then they should all have very successful acting careers. They seemed very genuine and really upset at times, especially Rocky and Io remembering Amber's injuries and things that happened.

And Amber must have been planning it since before they were even married since she has contemporaneous reports going back that far.

I do think she is smart and manipulative and calculating but I don't think it was all set up from the beginning. As I said, I think her usual way of being in control in a relationship was to control the narrative about each of them. That isn't out there or crazy at all, that happens in many, many abusive relationships. Lies and manipulation are often part of abusive relationships, those are common traits.

But how do you explain the bruises? All photoshopped on or painted on? All photos edited and then purposely shown to people for them to see them in real life? All audiotapes set up for her to put the accusations of abuse in there. That's super clever and high calculating.

I've put a few she instead of he's and he instead of she's I'm dyslexic

I would never use nurse Debbie as my nurse. I am seriously worried about how much information she can't recall in her testimony. For a nurse she has a terrible memory 😂

I have just watched most of the 2 videos @TiddyTidTwo shared, AH is just awful in these and the psychologist makes very good points. IDK how anyone who has heard their dialogue on this lengthy recording could possibly think JD is the abuser. Their is numerous reference to her being violent towards him but there is not vice versa. She admits she throws things at him but never says anything like 'but you throw things at me as well', just that it's his fault she throws things at him 🤷‍♀️ the gaslighting on that audio is truly horrifying

A lot of people online who have had boxtox have comments that, they have had similar bruises in similar areas and I belive its that. I also think the bruise kit comment was amber definitely slipping up. As to how she could make them possibly worse.
Well and from evidence she definitely edited the one that she put 2 images for same photo. That's was clearly edited

Amber said that she put her moisturiser and foundation on first and then her colour correction pallet over the top. That is the wrong way round to cover up bruise. Colour correction should go on first. If you are creating bruises though, that would go on the top.

I didn't see any pictures of bruises that I would associate with being beaten the way she described being beaten. She had a few pictures with small marks on her face - who knows how she got those. Other than the one on her arm none of them even clearly look like bruises. She talks about having sensitive skin that reacts to sun, she has gotten botox and cosmetic procedures. She took dozens of pictures of these marks and played with colour and tone and shade and light. She has gotten blackout drunk and high. She has had acne at times. I have no idea what caused the few small marks on her face but I don't believe they were the results of the assaults she described. I have had worse marks on my face over a 5 year period without any claims of assault.

And many of her recordings where ones where she knew she was reocrding but Depp didn't - so of course she controlled the conversation and said what she wanted recorded. She believes many of the recordings support her. If you secretely record your partner to try and catch them saying something you can use against them, you are going to say what you want heard.

I don't believe that being female makes one kind of innocent or sweet or gentle or caring or nurturing or honest. Women can be conniving, manipulative, spiteful, dishonest, uncaring, indifferent, angry etc. There is nothing about Amber or witness testimony about Amber that makes it hard for me to believe she wasn't who I think she was.

According to her testimony when asked how she covered her bruises, she said she put on foundation, then concealer then used a bruise kit.

No one who wear make-up would put make-up on in that order to cover a bruise.

The photos do not show abuse. And they are not reliable. Becausen of lack of metadata.

But the metadata disputes the time and date of the photos and if it was edited or not to make it look worse. But at the end of the day unless she photoshopped bruises on photos or painted bruises on herself she has photos of herself with bruises which were sent to people throughout the relationship. She has people who saw bruises and she has audiotapes where she mentioned various times he hit her and he says it gets physical on both sides.

I agree this doesn't always fit in with her story and many of the incidents seem to be disapproved. But at the end of the day to not believe she was abused on any level means you think she either painted on these bruises, photoshopped photos and manipulatively placed these references into the audiotapes.

@Midlifemusings Exactly! I asked my daughter (very much into makeup) about the order you use these things and she said that you would use the colour correction first before foundation etc so I think AH slipped up there.

Feline. That's why I linked them. They are very powerful and hard to criticise. She's spot on in her analysis of both their behaviour. She breaks very long audio in segments and explains how Amber manipulates, and also WHY she does this.

Honestly, what he tolerated from her was the extreme of that kind of behaviour. She's an absolute master of it. Also these videos were made 2 years ago. Dr curry has since said the exact same thing.

One of her pictures of a bruised face that she said was from Johnny was confirmed by TMZ to have been taken in 2012 - before she claimed any abuse had ever happened. Then when that story hit the news - during the trial - she then came on the stand the next day and said she wanted to change the dates of her first abuse to be a year earlier - the start of 2012 instead of 2013. People really believe her? She just happened to remember that she had the wrong date and was off by a year when a TMZ story showed her testimoney was a lie?

And beginning of 2012? Neither she nor Johnny even put out statements about ending their long term relationships until mid June 2012. So she was off by a year at the very start of the relationship - not a shred of truth in that.

I agree, I'm currently sporting an absolute shiner of a black eye. Nothing untoward DS threw a heavy iron man action figure at me 🤣 caught me badly.

I genuinely right now look like I've been punched in the face by Mike Tyson. I bruise easily.

I have been in work and some very important meetings.

To be honest even with a full colour correction kit that I have a full colour wheel -because I adore my makeup- I'm struggling, and people have noticed it.

It's moisturise, colour corrector, concealer, foundation, loose powder, highlighter.

Still absolutely visible 😭 the swelling is what catches people's eye first then they notice the bruise.

Luckily as a single woman, none of my colleagues think anything bad has happened, and they have all met DS and know he's a bit "wild" 🤣

I'd show a picture but I'd out myself lol

Or she had marks on her face from other causes.

The only bruise I think she truly painted on was the TRO one.

The rest I can't really tell if they are even bruises or not - could be from anything and I certainly don't see bruises that fit with her story.