Part 6 keeping it civil - the Depp Heard jury is out

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4556643-part-5-aibu-to-want-15-minutes-fame-depp-v-heard

hoping we can continue to discuss without unpleasantness - so far so good.

Yes, it is that it was staged. I agree with that actually. It certainly seems that way anyway and AH hasn't presented evidence to show it wasn't.

The picture of no bruise afterwards- I don't think the date of that picture has been fully clarified. She obviously claims it wasn't. She does look completely different though, like it was a much earlier photo.

@Blackbird2020 It would be sealed from the jury, I believe Depps team were right with this one. The jury should not be considering the greater good or the message this sends out. They should base this on evidence and the two individual infront of them, not future victims.

@Blackbird2020 it would be the same if JD is telling the truth and isn't believed though .

That next day photo comes from a daily mail article and says it was 1 day after court , it states it. If it wasn't they wouldn't have said it. U also didn't answer my question about which 2 witnesses including his best friend seen her with facial injuries?? As her make up artist said it but she came in after the stylist who was hugging amber as she walked in door and the stylist said she didn't see anything.

Thanks @Boulshired That’s a shame, I completely agree with you. That is the precise point of a court of law, it is not a court of public opinion!

Sorry mummy for the crappy link 😞this was the first one I found but shows Elaine's actual opening statement where she holds up the make up itself and said that is what AH used to cover bruises. It was after then Milani called them out on this as it wasn't possible.

I do believe AH team after this, later backtracked and said "similar to". Too late. Opening statements are incredibly important and starting off with a straightforward untruth then getting called out on it wasn't a great start.

From my non legal point if view, for me it shows the poor performance of AH lawyer, Elaine.

In her closing, she came across as rambling and unstructured. She said things a couple of things, which was objected to, and she had to "take back" what she just said.

In her opening, Elaine did say "this" makeup. It is a poor choice of words because some people took it literally and others thought she meant it figuratively.
This meant AH then had to clarify it wasn't this actual brand, when she was on the stand.

All in all, had Elaine chosen her words carefully, none of that needed to happen.

Yes a bad blunder. Her lawyer was not good at times so I can believe she didn't make it clear enough. You're right it gives a very bad impression.

Just watching some testimonies early on that I must have missed. Now wavering in my decisions about the trial. Showing definitely controlling behaviour by AH and sure signs she was an abuser. Although I knew that already. It's very hard and complex to really see what truly happened. I don't think we will ever know. This is what makes it such a hard job for the jury as there is much contrasting evidence.

I think for me I have come down more on AHs side, although I definitely don't believe everything she says, because I just don't think she has constructed this whole hoax from the beginning in gathering false evidence. And that is what you would have to believe in order to be on JDs side imo.

To be fair I don’t think ‘This make-up” could ever be thought of as a figurative statement!

“I’d move mountains for you” is figurative.

AH’s lawyer either made a mistake herself, or was told one thing by AH, only to find that it wasn’t possible at a later date. I don’t think a poor choice of words was the issue there.

Basically I mean that AH supporters can be nasty and throw offensive terms around and see nothing wrong with it. Just like the person they support.

This type of mentality makes sensible discussion all but impossible.

Anyone critical of Depp must be a fan or supporter of Heard. As if this was a football match.

*From my non legal point if view, for me it shows the poor performance of AH lawyer, Elaine.

In her closing, she came across as rambling and unstructured. She said things a couple of things, which was objected to, and she had to "take back" what she just said.

In her opening, Elaine did say "this" makeup. It is a poor choice of words because some people took it literally and others thought she meant it figuratively.
This meant AH then had to clarify it wasn't this actual brand, when she was on the stand.

All in all, had Elaine chosen her words carefully, none of that needed to happen.*

Yes she was very poor at times and let AH down. JDs lawyers were significantly better. I bet AH was hard to represent and I do wonder if these blunders were made because AH kept changing her story depending on what JDs team said in court.

Elaine is an excellent lawyer. She's really rated in law circles. I can't imagine she would demonstrate this so strongly in opening and say Amber was going to demonstrate in her testimony how she mixed the colours and make such a stupid mistake. I think Elaine took AH at her word, and believed it was that kit, unfortunately.

They did indeed back track but lawyers in openings are very careful with setting the scene.

I agree she did seem to ramble and get worse as the trial went on. I firmly believe as more lies were uncovered the poor woman was losing the will to live and also how this will affect her career. She doesn't deserve that, she just had a terrible client.

One lawyer who was commenting on the trial said she believed some of the more questionable statements were 'client ordered' and this is always a problem for lawyers. Same happened in the Jodie Arias trial.

I don't belive she came up with this at beginning of her relationship i believe she came up with it the day he didn't agree to the give her 3 penthouses , $50,000 a month and a car. She was angry he wasn't doing what she wanted and she wanted to get him back. I belive her friends were with her. so make up artist , her sister and rocky and the guy was all there when she decided and they wanted to help. As they were obviously benefitting from living their lifestyle for free and didn't want it to end. So they agreed to lie and next day she went to court for TRO

Vape. Good point too. Amber taking the stand for a second time was highly questionable so that makes sense.

Seems a stupid idea to me. Is this allowed in criminal cases too?

That next day photo comes from a daily mail article and says it was 1 day after court , it states it. If it wasn't they wouldn't have said it. U also didn't answer my question about which 2 witnesses including his best friend seen her with facial injuries?? As her make up artist said it but she came in after the stylist who was hugging amber as she walked in door and the stylist said she didn't see anything.

Ah ok. I didn't know that. Well that's very interesting. The whole thing is so strange.

I didn't see that question. Yes- JDs friend, Rocky Pennington, her nurse and the make up artist.

A good lawyer is good regardless of their client. Closing statements shouldn’t be rambling, they should be well organised, well argued and to the point. A good lawyer can make their client look far more reliable and believable than they are.

This case is a fair example of how money buys you better representation, and good lawyers often win cases against poorer ones, regardless of the merits of the case.

That's fair 😁

In my defence, its been a long day.
Maybe 'representational' would have been a better word.

Which of Johnny's friends??? I haven't seen any of Johnny's friends claim they seen her with injuries

Says the person that used "cuntstruck"

and

"Women who hold an opposing opinion are thinking with their cunts."

Because that certainly shows your mentality. And you are not helping yourself or your "side" in this discussion.

To be fair I think u can be the best lawyer money can buy but u can't make miracles and if u don't have facts on ur side she couldn't Magic them. So she didn't have a lot to go on. Elaine knew who she was dealing with she was the lawyer for the UK trial . So she must have been well known to Amber's lies!

His old friend who he doesn't speak to anymore because of this. Apparently he stabbed him in the back. It was his friend from his band.

@Newrunner29 I thought the make-up artist testified about bruising on a different occasion (in December 2015, before the James Corden show). Did she also testify about the TRO incident too? Its hard to keep up because they jump from incident to incident during testimony. I'm not sure who testified about seeing bruising on the TRO occasion, I think it was her friend Rockie, but can't remember anyone else.

He doesn't speak to Bruce Watkins due to him and others stealing $350 million. Not because of this court case or allegedly being abusive

"This case is a fair example of how money buys you better representation, and good lawyers often win cases against poorer ones, regardless of the merits of the case"

For £6m they'd better be good! 😂 I guess it's all relative and lawyers that are all beyond us mere mortals £ per hour!

Also these weren't AHs first choice either. She got through 6 (?) sets from outset to the start of the trial. Im not sure of that number it's going from memory so see if I can find a link.