Part 6 keeping it civil - the Depp Heard jury is out

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4556643-part-5-aibu-to-want-15-minutes-fame-depp-v-heard

hoping we can continue to discuss without unpleasantness - so far so good.

Have you any intention of actually forming your own opinion off the full audios mummy?

"The evidence overall I think shows he was abusive and so was she. Obviously this is only my opinion but imo
She has two witnesses who saw bruises on her consistent with the timings of the attacks. I believe them as valid witnesses. One is JDs oldest friend.
She would have to have been gone girl and got her friends in on a very complicated hoax as JD claims for it not to be true. Even his lawyer in the Uk case acknowledged this.
I don't believe she painted on bruises and gathered evidence over their relationship waiting to expose him.
I believe the security guards and PA and possibly doctors saw and heard more than they are claiming.
She sent texts about it right from the beginning I don't think she was lying about this all the way through for some gain to use later or for money.
His PA acknowledged in a text he kicked her.
JD acknowledged in multiple auto tapes it was abusive on both sides.
He admits to head butting her. I don't think this was an accident.
There is an audio tape where she is heard saying get off me just before he leaves.
The audiotapes show him verbally abusing her at a minimum. His emails and texts show he was jealous and controlling. He admits this in a audio tape.
She has pictures of bruising. I don't think they are painted on. The jury's out about if these were edited to make them look worse. I am sceptical about them but fundamentally they still show some bruises initially even if they were made to look worse. Unless you believe they were painted on. I don't.
Evidence suggests he had blackouts and became a monster. I think in those moments he was violent and intimidating and didn't know what he was doing."

All of this is her POV. Not once have you stood back and looked at his side.

You're determined she must be right. Fine. My perspective it's the other way around.

Which 2 witnesses seen her bruises?? Including jd oldest friend?? His friend who moved into the penthouse who see amber day after I think of tro testify he didn't see any bruises and he kissed her on the check she claimed was bruise. So I have no idea who r u talking about.

"Evidence suggests he had blackouts and became a monster."

I'm sorry there is absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. That's a narrative, a play on words.

He was concerned she was cheating and getting jealous about that but she was cheating with 2 people so he had every right to be concerned!

I mean she did coke and drank 2 bottles of wine a day, maybe she was also an abusive high drunk 🤷🏻‍♀️

Her screaming and banging on doors and stuff, sounds like a coke comedown.

Outside of the trial I stumbled across posts form her old classmates, they say she's done this before to other boys/men. Same MO.

But again I can't take this as fact, who knows.

And she's had a few relationships since. He hasn't (maybe one that fell apart due to this case). But she has PTSD and has rules who may touch her and when.

Bollocks

"Outside of the trial I stumbled across posts form her old classmates, they say she's done this before to other boys/men. Same MO"

I've seen posts on this. Unverified of course. Put Whitney's hamster in a sock and beat it on the pavement. Fed the family dog chilli and emptied out the water, DUI at age 16 then licence revoked for 5 years (serious offence) coincidentally other passenger was killed. As she was under age it's a closed case but plenty to look at online from classmates (unverified of course). Arrested for abusing her ex, but of course the gay arresting police officer who testified against her washomophobic.

Jennifer Howells testimony under oath

Of course there's no smoke without fire and everyone else is a liar. Hearsay!

Meanwhile for the last 6 years no one has me tooed depp. Ample opportunity, no? #tumbleweed

And her witnesses were nowhere to be seen live in this court case. Why?

There's often smoke without fire and often a penis with no bollocks.

He looked very much the rock star up on stage performing. Not in the least strange behaviour for someone whose career was ruined or left traumatised by years of abuse.

Ofcourse he has every right for his life to go on. Ever the performer.

Why can't people enjoy themselves if they have been abused? I would say that's a way for them to get over it

I wonder what people who belive depp was abusive, think of Jennifer Howell letter she sent Whitney?

Where did I say they can't. Now you imagine if she'd done that.

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Why shouldn't he? She's been putting herself out there as the ambassador of DV promoting her herself last 6 years? She went to coacheller after all the alleged abuse promoting herself all over SM, PTSD n all.

Music is his escape. Always has been and well documented. Planned well before the trial. Playing in Sheffield without pre announcing it, putting himself on Instagram etc etc.

"Where did I say they can't. Now you imagine if she'd done that"

SHE DID!!!. Her drug fuelled Instagram Coachellar posts.

But of course, she can he can't, right?

Yep he is revelling in the attention. He's probably never been so popular not since he was a hot Jack Sparrow.

The fact thst his career was on a downwards trajectory as Hollywood is a fickle place for aging pirates who turn up on set regularly off their face.

Music could save him. Having the presence to be on stage with Beck yep definitely looks like he's putting on a very brave face.

And in court it was testified she went to coachella took drugs and was drunk.

But don't let the truth get in the way of JD playing in a tiny concert.

"Yep he is revelling in the attention. He's probably never been so popular not since he was a hot Jack Sparrow"

You're showing yourself now

Takes rather alot to get up on stage like he did. Not a bad performance at all. Not sure of being able to draw any parallels with her out of control rants on Instagram.🤔

I'm no massive Depp fan now, but I will admit 13 year old me who first saw him in The Curse of Black Pearl, definitely fancied him 😳🤣

I had posters in my bedroom and everything 🤣

I don't think he was abusive in that instance. I think she did go to punch him.

"Takes rather alot to get up on stage like he did"

I agree but no where near a match for Amber on the stand. Performance of a life time

JH testimony was way more than that though mummy. She knew. Whitney is also a victim of abuse, years of it.

Yeah thought he was hot too.
Quite enjoyed the films.
Nothing wrong with with anti hero he played drunken out of control and all. You got me though I'm not an obsessed fan.
Nah she's been an utter car crash on the stand pulling weird faces looking like shit. What's that all about

So, you believe she was abusive on that instance, fair enough.

But she then gave some dramatic performance on the stand re-living the trauma of her sisters near death experience, brought Kate Moss in to it, and you expect people to believe her when she did the same for other alleged instances?

Can you see why some people are not believing her at all. Of she can cry wolf about that with tears and drama, what else can she cry wolf about?

She's dangerous and should face perjury charges.

Not sure if repeatedly saying she's the abuser no hes the abuser is moving the discussion forward though.

I am just making an observation that going on stage in the middle of one of biggest abuse trials is congruent to what someone who is living with trauma would do at this very moment in time.

Her mouthing of and being out of control.is a trauma response.

Let's see what the jury decides.