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To think holidays with kids are SHIT

393 replies

Holibollocks · 28/05/2022 15:46

Caveat: I know we are really really lucky to be able to afford to go on holiday.

But. WTAF??! Why is this so shit?!! Kids are 4 and 8 and this is the first 'big' holiday we've been on. Previously it's always been camping or self catering-didn't go away at all during covid and I'm a nurse so we felt like it was worth splashing out a bit for a half term break and we've gone for an all inclusive thing.

Anyway, we're 2 days in and to be honest it would be easier being at work. Every single tiny little thing they have whinged and moaned and complained and then when I thought they couldn't complain anymore they've somehow managed it. Constant fucking requests that go beyond anything I've experienced with them at home...followed by more whinging. So far it's shit. Expensive shit.

What am I doing wrong?? What is the secret to making this a great holiday?

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Burgoo · 28/05/2022 17:07

Appreciate what you have because once its gone its not returning.
I'd just have a gentle word with them if they are whining and moaning all the time. I am wondering whether they are picking up on your emotions; many kids are emotional sponges. If you aren't really in a good frame of mind the whole family will likely end up miserable (when I say you I don't mean YOU, I mean anyone in the family).

I'd just sit down with them all and tell them how you feel. I suspect they are so self-absorbed (as most kids are) that they have no awareness of how annoying its becoming.

I would love to know what it is they are whining about. Not the things but the function of doing it? Have they found the change in routine stressful? Are they anxious? Angry? Sad? If so, why? Behaviours are always caused so figure it out. We assume holidays are exciting for kids, but many of them get very stressed but don't show it on the outside.

BTW I was a lil p*k growing up when we went on holidays to the seaside. Looking back I can see how unreasonable I was but at the time I had no idea.

Good luck! And remember they are 4 & 8 but 14 and 18.
Just be in the moment, don't assume its going to go shit. These moments are precious.

skodadoda · 28/05/2022 17:07

‘for them it's just a big break from their normal routine without their toys, their bedrooms, their friends, etc.’
i think this is the problem. Most children are a bit lost at the end of term. Try to establish some routines for your holiday. Also, are they overtired?

TomAllenWife · 28/05/2022 17:07

I prefer going without mine

IMHO a holiday with kids is not a holiday

It doesn't get better even as they get older, mine were 13 & 17 this year and were still assholes

WombatChocolate · 28/05/2022 17:07

Some children aren’t great company on a day out or holiday. For whatever reason, they haven’t got beyond being entirely self centred and moaning about nothing.

Some children are naturally more like this, or take longer to grow out of it. Others have parents who to be honest encourage that behaviour by either pandering to their every whim, or tolerating the behaviour which feeds it, or by organising stuff that just isn’t appropriate for the age group.

I found being on holiday with under 4s not much fun. The only way for it to be tolerable for us, was to be regimented around the kids’ routines which meant naps and eating at the usual regular times. Low expectations of ‘normal’ pre-child holiday stuff had to go. Locations needed to be chosen so it was easy to get to and stuff near the accommodation. Personally, we always went with another family, so at least after bed time there was nice adult time and it felt different to being at home.

You see families out and about - having a day out or on holiday. Lots of families have kids of similar ages but they are having very different days. Some are having a pleasant time and the children are enjoying the activity that’s happening. Perhaps they won’t be in 10 minutes time. Some children are managing the less fun stuff that’s going on fine, like shopping etc. Others a having a melt down even when an activity which you’d think would be a child’s dream is happening. Maybe they had a very late night, maybe they have SEN, maybe they are very easily set off, perhaps they don’t have good boundaries.

The thing is, kids are the same kids they are at home. Families who have unclear boundaries or ignore poor behaviour at home, can’t suddenly expect to go out for a meal or a day out on holiday and expect the kids to know the boundaries or behave well. Kids who are tired if they stay up beyond 8pm at home, will be the same if they’re in Spain. Learning to be part of a family and to understand everyone has to put up with doing some stuff that’s not their favourite is something all kids need to learn gradually.

The sad thing for parents is that a good holiday usually does need lots of cash thrown at it/ and or lots of organisation for it to work. The days of planning something last minute and winging it and it being fun are gone. It means you either splash the cash for a kid friendly location which has food and entertainment suitable for small kids of tap at the right moments, or you stay somewhere not like that and out time and effort in advance to ordering food, planning days out, scheduling so it works for small children and making sure everyone gets sleep. It’s not like a ore-child holiday and Hopi g it will be leads to disappointment.

From the age of about 5 things got better for us. Being able to eat lunch an hour later or stay up for an hour later in the evening without it wrecking the next day gave the flexibility you want on holiday. Being able to play and entertain themselves for an hour makes all the difference. Them knowing the behaviour that you expect day-to-day and mostly being able to deliver it makes a difference. Them understanding they will get to choose stuff and they have to let adults make some choices too helps.

Best holidays we had with small kids involved accommodation within walking distance if the beach (usually UK) and buckets and spaces and paddling and eating ice cream and sometimes having lunch rather than dinner out. Our best holidays always involved another family which made it all less intense. There were more adults to do some child-time, more kids to play with and each meal felt special and worth making an effort for. Only go with another family that has similar ideas about bedtimes, activities and what counts as fun to you though. Lots of people hate to be with another family, but we always loved it and still do. I think it’s good for kids to be with other people are have to fit in with a bigger group, but not everyone feels like that.

Definitley don’t go places where you can’t take your small child equipment or none is provided. Hotels with a single room that you have to sit in the dark in after bedtime don’t sound fun. But lots of people do seem to opt to go places where it will be hard work, without realising that when they book it.

CoreyTaylorsbiggestfan · 28/05/2022 17:10

If yous have just got there is it not just that they are tired from the journey, the different routine?
On holiday with our 3 year old and the first 2 days they were tired from the flight times being afternoon flights, the new surroundings. So a little more whinging than normal. Day 3 onwards it's been fab! No cooking, cleaning or work! Wooop!
We have a little routine going re pool after breakfast (they get bored after 30mins in the pool) then go somewhere around lunch time and into the afternoon (incorporating an afternoon snooze) xx
As a kid my parents loved holidays with us, we had more active holidays in Central Europe/Center parc type places we stayed and travelled all over!

Bumtum126 · 28/05/2022 17:14

CupidStunt22 · 28/05/2022 16:48

OP and others are happy to tell everyone that holidays with kids are shit, as if this is some objective truth.

There are always tons of these posts every year, oh holidays are awfuk with kids, they are no fun, waste of money, noone is happy.....that's shit for you, I get it. But it's not the experience everyone has. I for one love holidays with my children, 20 years of it and they are some of best memories..and many more to go.

If you hate holidaying with your children, stop doing it. But don't talk as if everyone hates it, cos we don't.

I didn't suggest it was the truth that nobody likes holidays with kids. I'm not sure if the rest is aimed at me or others , my point was about being bewildered at others having a different experience as if it wasn't possible.
The rest of your point I haven't disagreed with.

Holibollocks · 28/05/2022 17:15

Bluestripeddress · 28/05/2022 16:46

What a sad post.

Sad? I'm livid mate!

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whiteroseredrose · 28/05/2022 17:17

We ended up avoiding hotels and staying in cottages as they are more flexible BUT the main trick for us was different activities in bite sized chunks.

Trip on a boat for a couple of hours in the morning then back to the cottage to chill.

Walk on the beach then back for tea.

Visit a castle then back for a rest.

Go to some caves and back to the cottage for a bit.....

You get the picture. Stops the DC getting overtired.

Threeboysandadog · 28/05/2022 17:17

We used to have a caravan holiday every year in June for a fortnight. Each day finished of with a walk along the prom and and a little while at the amusements on the pier before walking back to the caravan. My sister and I (2 years apart) cried all the way back every. bloody. night. because we wanted “another go”. I don’t know why my parents bothered. However I generally remember these trips fondly. I think kids club might be your answer!

NeedAHoliday2021 · 28/05/2022 17:18

At age 5 and 9 we didn’t go on relaxing holidays (no point as no chance dc would let us relax). We went to New York and did a road trip to Chicago and up to the Wisconsin Dells. Another year we did Vancouver to Calgary through the Rockies. Finally this April we did a European all inclusive beach holiday and it was fab, so relaxing but dc are 10 and 14.

SeeingRed · 28/05/2022 17:19

Perhaps Dad might suggest to Mum (or vice versa), out loud for the kids benefit Wink that "it seems that the children do not enjoy holidays so best not to bother taking them away on one in future". " They can stay at granny's house next year whilst Mum and Dad go on holiday without them"

Lollypop701 · 28/05/2022 17:20

Set expectations for the next day… whatever it is you are doing. Don’t give too much choice. Oh and wine

LemonadeSunshine · 28/05/2022 17:20

Enough physical activity until they're knackered is my go-to.

Currently packing for a few days away, excitement levels are sky-high. So I've had them taking each individual piece of clothing upstairs for packing, one at a time. Apparently legs are tired 😂

GetThatHelmetOn · 28/05/2022 17:20

converseandjeans · 28/05/2022 16:36

Sometimes it's because there is so much and they feel there is no boundaries - and so when they are removed to try and make them happy they feel more out of control.

This ☝️

Another vote for this. I managed great times when DS was young keeping some structure and taking turns and yes, that involved having a turn myself as well and him keeping his thoughts to himself while I was at it, Ie. He wanted to spend all the morning in the water park, I went along and put up with it, if he was bored though, that was his choice. Next day I wanted to spend all the morning walking in the old town, fine. No complaints, he had the water park the day before and we were doing what he wanted the day after.

There are perks to having your turn as well, he has grown up to.become a very considerate adult, I have learned a lot about high ropes skills and he can talk about the Impressionists as if he had gone to art school.

MacavityTheDentistsCat · 28/05/2022 17:20

I echo kids' clubs. DD is nearly 17 and we still book somewhere with a teens' club 😂.

Pickingmyselfup · 28/05/2022 17:21

I've only ever been on

yesthatisdrizzle · 28/05/2022 17:21

Pack a picnic.

Get a local bus/train to somewhere within 30 minutes travelling time.

Spend an hour there eating the picnic.

Get the bus/train back again.

Kids love a bus or a train ride, and it really doesn't matter where you go or what you do when you get there, it is the journey they like.

idontevenknowanyonecalledblurb · 28/05/2022 17:23

Go away with other people with kids. It saves your holidays! They get a friend- you get a friend. There's four adults to play with them and then on an evening you've got friends to sit and have a drink with.

Also kids clubs! Either morning or afternoon- breaks up the days and they do fun things.

Plus things like join in the activities- my kids love playing the bingo or quiz afternoons.

Take games- dobble/ go fish / cards

And I know Mumsnet hates it but there's nothing wrong with an iPad chill for 40 minutes in the room to have a rest

olivebean · 28/05/2022 17:24

Haha you win with the Premier Inn in Warrington

We once got stranded near Warrington and ended up at an Ibis Budget Hotel at Lymm Services.

A prison cell for the night would have been nicer. Genuinely. I shudder when I remember it. 😩

Badger1970 · 28/05/2022 17:25

I'd stop offering choices, tell them at bedtime what's happening the next day, and if they start grumbling, go back to the room until they've calmed back down again. Sounds like classic over stimulation and removal of normal rules.

Titsflyingsouth · 28/05/2022 17:26

Basically, plan the holiday around the kid's needs. Happy kids = happy parents. For us that meant daytime departure from our nearest airport (which is 45 mins down the road), no more than 2 hours flying time, short airport transfer, really quiet accommodation with virtually no nighttime noise, proximity to playpark, sandy beach and shallow, calms seas. Took a lot of research but we nailed it.

Justmuddlingalong · 28/05/2022 17:26

I found a sharp "quit it, now!" when the moaning started nipped it in the bud. If they argue over things like opening the door and pressing the lift buttons, neither of them would get to do it. You're all there to enjoy our holiday, don't excuse their bad behaviour and let it ruin your time.

Fixyourself · 28/05/2022 17:27

Lower your expectations & up your wine intake.
Kids are a pain in the arse, holidays don’t change that.

Hohoholymoley · 28/05/2022 17:27

I always bring a grandmother 🤣. They get a free holiday and I get a lie in.

Titsflyingsouth · 28/05/2022 17:27

And I know Mumsnet hates it but there's nothing wrong with an iPad chill for 40 minutes in the room to have a rest

2nd this - except in our case it's more like 90 mins.

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