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To think holidays with kids are SHIT

393 replies

Holibollocks · 28/05/2022 15:46

Caveat: I know we are really really lucky to be able to afford to go on holiday.

But. WTAF??! Why is this so shit?!! Kids are 4 and 8 and this is the first 'big' holiday we've been on. Previously it's always been camping or self catering-didn't go away at all during covid and I'm a nurse so we felt like it was worth splashing out a bit for a half term break and we've gone for an all inclusive thing.

Anyway, we're 2 days in and to be honest it would be easier being at work. Every single tiny little thing they have whinged and moaned and complained and then when I thought they couldn't complain anymore they've somehow managed it. Constant fucking requests that go beyond anything I've experienced with them at home...followed by more whinging. So far it's shit. Expensive shit.

What am I doing wrong?? What is the secret to making this a great holiday?

OP posts:
Fairislefandango · 31/05/2022 08:25

You who has never been on a boozy Ibiza
/magaluff/Malia holiday in her teens/twenties,

You who in later life has perfect well behaving, children who love travelling,

You who is such a great mother that they never, ever crave a few hours child-free to have a few cocktails in the sun round the pool.

You are amazing and virtuous and I can only ever dream of being like you.

You do realise that people generally choose the kind of holiday they have because they enjoy it, rather than to serve as some kind of moral lesson to others, right? That would be a rather expensive way to prove a holier-than-thou point Grin

pointythings · 31/05/2022 09:07

If you're someone who never wanted to do the boozy Ibiza/Magaluf type hopiday (me and many others) then why is it holier than thou to enjoy the same kind of beach/history/culture/quiet holiday with your kids?

JennieLee · 31/05/2022 12:26

I can remember holidays with three young children being tiring. But it concerns me that my daughter who has a two year old has not been away on holiday since the child was born. It's as if the thought of packing all the things that might be needed is overwhelming.

Even when holidays have their tiring aspects, a change of scene can bring perspective - and there are usually some good outings.

We live miles from the sea and I remember my joy at seeing my nearly one year old sprint across the beach on all fours....

lameasahorse · 31/05/2022 17:17

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GinAndMe · 31/05/2022 19:38

Nope YANBU. That it why I am going on a 4 day sun holiday to Spain on my own, child free. Meeting up with my dad and stepmum.

Kids staying with their father for the long weekend, I cannot wait.

Kids can be ar$eh0les at rhe best of times and being on holiday doesn't change it. Good luck

MrsRonaldWeasley · 31/05/2022 22:59

So sorry OP… there’s no denying it… holidays with kids are shit! It’s not relaxing. It’s just the same old crap in a different venue. I’d definitely agree with lowering expectations and the tag team with DH idea - that is how I survived holidays when my DDs were younger! Good luck and I hope you are able to enjoy some relaxation time x

bluebull · 31/05/2022 23:24

Holidays with kids is absolutely shit. I hate it's

bluebull · 31/05/2022 23:33

Sorry posted too soon! It's shit because at home for me it's easier to manage or during our normal routine but on holiday there's everything and you can never make them happy. With smaller kids like mine who isn't a baby but also with a developing comprehension at 3, you can't keep him in the hotel room even if we take shifts and in fact it was easier when he was a baby as he had naps and you can chill out in the room if it gets a bit too much even if he didn't nap as he would happily play in his travel cot. Right now, he wants to go swimming, to the playground and go and make sandcastles at the same time running from one thing to another. I see some families with chilled out kids who happily sit in the shade or in the pushchair, mine unfortunately isn't like that. I have to run after him. Constantly run after him and that ain't relaxing. At home I don't have to run after him and it doesn't cost me thousands as opposed to being on holiday, taking a flight and entertaining him during the journey and then running after him in the hotel and paying thousands for that. I'm hoping next year would be better though.

speakout · 01/06/2022 06:26

It does get better with older kids- I wouldn't enjoy a holiday with a toddler. By the time they are 6 or 7 you don't have to keep such a close eye on them, and they can understand rules and boundaries.
I never used kids clubs, but my children would often form friendships on holiday, which made things a lot easier. All inclusive makes things easier too- I don't want to be doing any cooking or washing up on holiday.
Takings lots of activities helps too, craft sets, paints, cards, games, stone painting was always a big hit for us, or making mobiles from shells and beach finds. Having things kids can do in the shade is helpful, giving a break from the sun, something to do with a holiday friend, or that 6pm time while waiting for dinner , giving adults time to shower and get ready for dinner.
After dinner is back to the room, I like children to be in bed at a reasonable time even on holiday. The sun and activity is tiring and keeping an early bed ensures no tired or grouchy kids the next day. OH and I would sit on the veranda or balcony having a glass of wine while the children slept within earshot just a few feet away.
I agree about lowering expectations, and be prepared not to always do things as a complete family, tag team when need be so adults get a few hours to themselves at some point in the day.

MsTSwift · 01/06/2022 07:28

Also depends on the personality of the kid and how indulgent you are as a parent. Recently spent time with extended family with a high energy 8 year old who demanded one on one interaction with an adult at all times. That would frankly do my head in going on holiday with him would be a bloody nightmare.

Agree baby toddler is hard work for everyone but ours were good at entertaining themselves from school age onwards remember spending £30 on loom bands which bought me literally hours reading by the pool undisturbed as the two of them wove away. Also they like reading so would read by the pool too.

MsTSwift · 01/06/2022 07:31

And Dh and I had / have a zero tolerance no whining policy implemented from birth. Actually my teens told me off for whining on our uk due to covid summer holiday last year “this is our holiday mum you have got to make the best of it” 😁

LittleBearPad · 01/06/2022 09:47

Blarting · 30/05/2022 19:43

Exactly, look at @LittleBearPad post, apparently I'm
PA for enjoying holidays!

Actually the reason I said you’re passive aggressive was the “Sorry to disappoint others!” comment.

Turns out from your subsequent posts the ‘passive’ wasn’t needed

Delatron · 01/06/2022 11:58

Love to see a toddler wandering around a museum for 2 weeks, embracing all that culture. Some posters are looking back with rose tinted spectacles I think.

It does get easier as they get older but holidays with 2/3 year olds are challenging. To say anything else is misremembering what that age group is like. Or having the patience of a saint 24/7

DoubleDiamond · 01/06/2022 12:01

I generally really enjoyed holidays with my kids, but like Esther Walker's comparison of foreign holidays with very small children to being a spy:

“Having completed your training in your own country, you are then sent on a terrifying mission to a hot place, where you must complete your tasks in a totally unfamiliar environment.”

Youcansaythatagainandagain · 01/06/2022 12:20

MsTSwift · 01/06/2022 07:31

And Dh and I had / have a zero tolerance no whining policy implemented from birth. Actually my teens told me off for whining on our uk due to covid summer holiday last year “this is our holiday mum you have got to make the best of it” 😁

Please tell me how you implement this. I have very whining children and I know I indulge them too much just to stop the whining which I later regret.

rules?
consequences?

Can you pls give me some examples?

MsTSwift · 01/06/2022 12:35

Just never put up with it. Ever. My parents were the same. Cannot abide whiny kids. If you want to channel Verruca Salt go somewhere else!

Llamasally · 01/06/2022 12:43

Youcansaythatagainandagain · 01/06/2022 12:20

Please tell me how you implement this. I have very whining children and I know I indulge them too much just to stop the whining which I later regret.

rules?
consequences?

Can you pls give me some examples?

Please tell me too!!

Delatron · 01/06/2022 13:08

I don’t know what ‘just don’t put up with it’ means either.

I also don’t want to spend my whole holiday being cross with my kids. If they were whiny I’d try and accommodate for a bit with distraction/ bribery etc. Then get annoyed and a bit shouty. (Then put them in kids club for some peace).

Would love to know the secrets of having non whiny children at a young age that doesn’t involve constant conflict.

Ahurricaneofjacarandas · 01/06/2022 13:31

I agree how exactly do you stop a child whining? I am zero tolerance with mine in the sense that I don't rise to it and just refuse to understand her until she talks properly and it absolutely doesn't get her what she's looking for (including simple attention) However I can't literally stop her whining. I'd love to be in on this elusive secret too 🤣

WombatChocolate · 01/06/2022 13:38

In my view, ‘don’t put up with it’ doesn’t mean there will never be any difficulty or conflict, but in most cases it can mean it’s far reduced and mostly only happens when there’s a Eric us issue that’s worth taking notice of.

To me, this is all about doing the leg work with child rents behaviour over the long term….far in advance if holidays. It doesn’t have to mean constant conflict, but it does require effort and persistence over things that lots of people can’t be bothered with day to day. There’s no gain without short term effort and pain. So for example, children running about in a cafe. This might start at home with children leaving the table mid-meal. You can return your small children to the table every time they leave it and re-iterate the same message over perhaps 75 meal times. You can show you’re consistent and serious. At an appropriate age, if they continue to do the thing that you’ve asked them not to, there can be a consequence that you always follow through on. Consistency is how children learn. After this, when you tell them to remain seated in a cafe, you’re far more likely to find they do as you ask. The same could apply to pestering or whining or whatever. On the DS occasion when they really persist and tell you something is wrong, you actually listen, because you know what is normal for them and what’s not.

In my mind (and I know everyone won’t agree) you have to put the keg work in when they’re little and at home. You have to be consistent. You have to bear with the tedium of it, even when it would be easier to let them get away with ut and ignore it for a quiet life. This is what so many people do. They are tired and they don’t like any level of conflict with their kids and don’t even have the confidence in their own decisions about behaviour or ability to tell their children their expectations. So what happens is the kids end up ruling the roost. They know that by shouting (especially in public) or whining or doing whatever that they can wear you down. And they do. Those who can’t wear their parents down also know…and stop bothering most of the time. This isn’t about breaking the spirit if the kids or harassing them or bullying them or nagging them. It’s about having the self belief and courage to be the parent and to know what decent and appropriate behaviour for different age kids is and showing them how to do it and being consistent.

So many parents suggest they have zero control over their kids or that other people simply magically have compliant kids. It’s rarely the case and is usually because they have put a lot of long hours in behind closed doors. They made some choices which have long term consequences. And of course, this isn’t always the case. Children do have different personalities and some have all kinds of extra needs which mean their behaviour or response to parenting might not be standard. Of course that’s the case for some. But it’s also not the case with all children.

I know this kind of comment is wildly unpopular with lots. I only say it because a couple of people have directly asked what ‘not putting up with it’ means. For me, when my children were toddlers in Gift shops, I would tell them they weren’t to touch things. They were told if they did, we would leave the shop. And when they did touch, we immediately left, even if it wasn’t convenient for me and I really wanted to look at other stuff. And very quickly when I said not to do it, they quickly didn’t. Not making idle and empty threats, knowing what is a reasonable expectation and making sure they know it and carrying through is really important in my view. And before anyone decides my kids must have had a miserable and horrible oppressed time, I will say they are lovely, fun loving and energetic and that at all kinds of ages, people have commented in what good company they are. I don’t think we do our kids any favours by letting them carry in with unpleasant behaviour or in deciding that because we work, they should be allowed to have their own way regardless the rest of the time. Parents are the grown ups and children do need some guidance.

BeyondMyWits · 01/06/2022 13:52

I had biddable, happy kids, no whining, no doing stuff like running round cafes etc. I did nothing other than fairly lax parenting. High expectations were generally met with little effort.

Some kids ARE just like that.

lameasahorse · 01/06/2022 13:57

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Delatron · 01/06/2022 14:02

From 4 plus those years of consistent parenting pay off.

2/3 years olds though...you can have a good one or a whiny one. I think it’s just how they are at that age.

Definitelyrandom · 01/06/2022 14:39

@WombatChocolate Spot on. It's doing the hard work at home and being consistent in expecting certain standards of behaviour. Especially in relation to behaviour in restaurants and cafes. Proper, regular eating of meals at home - at the table, with conversation, good manners, proper cutlery and no fussiness over food. If you make a habit of allowing children to eat with plates on their laps and watching the TV you can't expect them to know how to behave in public.

When ours were little they were allowed books/a toy (no ipads/electronic games) where there was likely to be a lengthy restaurant dinner. It didn't always work perfectly when they were very small, so there were a few time outs with a short break outside to calm down. There was never any running round, though, and certainly from the age of around 4 (if not earlier) they blended in perfectly in France, Italy etc and got lots of compliments in the UK. And they grew up to be perfectly charming and sociable adults (even allowing for parental bias here).

MsTSwift · 01/06/2022 15:12

That’s what we did wombat. We were firm and consistent from tiny took a hard line did not put up with whining and will not be spoken to like shit by our own children. From day 1 really.

Horrified by how many friends let their children speak to them! May be that ours were naturally easy going and would have been polite anyway or maybe our parenting guess we will never know! Being indulgent and wet and letting your kids speak back to you then shouting at them when you reach your limit is not a model that works for anyone. I d never have dared talked back or been rude to my parents either. Neither epii you if either of my sisters kids either thinking about it

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