To Say Well Done Suella Braverman.

[AnonIsUsuallyAWoman]

Of course I'm not and I'm going to applaud her. Well Done and Thank You! Brava!

And Lisa Nandy is not in government.

Why aren't you concerned about the fact that the current government has done nothing to promote women's safe spaces?

This is what you want to ally yourselves with?

I don’t need to “ally” myself with someone to agree with one thing they’ve said. Where on Earth does this idea come from that you have to agree or disagree with 100% of someone else’s views, and that there can be no nuance of “I agree with them on X but I disagree on Y and Z”? The world is not divided into those with whom we completely agree (good) and anyone with whom we even fractionally disagree (bad).

To be honest, I am pretty depressed that absolutely no one seems to give a fuck about women.

The Tories have thankfully kicked GRA reform out the window for now, which is a huge relief, but it's only because they know which way the wind is blowing, not because they actually care about women.

I'm sick of this being played out as a Labour v Tory issue. It isn't one.

It's fundamental to the human rights of women to be able to describe ourselves as separate from men.

That is what the Labour Party is putting on the line.

That's on them. As a life long labour voter I'm horrified by the stance of the Labour Party on this.

What the Tory party does is irrelevant to the way I feel betrayed by Labour.

Yes, this.

The woman is an overpromoted, incompetent halfwit who is devoid of professional ethics. She got to be Attorney General because she has a legal qualification and will do what she's told by Johnson rather than performing her constitutional role as she should. In a government of the most useless dimwits in my lifetime she still stands out as awful. That's an achievement I guess. Well done.

Elegantly expressed. Couldn't agree more.

Braver man has an u dergeaduate law degree from Cambridge and a masters from the Sorbonne. Would be interested to know how many of the people here insulting her intellect had a comparable academic background.
the left has struggled for a long time to accept that disagreeing with them politically does not necessarily equate to stupidity. Helps to explain why it is so unsuccessful electorally

It might make her academically qualified. It doesn't make her intelligent.

In which case you should applaud Suella Braverman for saying that the law allows the school the choice to use, or not to use, the child's preferred pronouns.

I'm sure teachers are intelligent and sensitive enough to decide what is best without being bullied by Stonewall.

Refusing to answer Emily Thornberry's question in Parliament and then going off on a rant about flags is hardly a display of towering intellect.

Love this response.

It's exactly how I feel.

I've always said to the statement they "identify as a woman"

"What is identifying as a woman" - funnily enough no one can answer because there is no actual definition. And you can't identify as a female sex as that's a biological classification based on actual genetics.

It's often a belief they aren't good enough as they are. They aren't being a proper woman.

And that's really sad.

I have a gnc 7 year old who asked if I could change his pronouns at school. I said 'not yet' because I felt at that the time that was a notable act of gender transition. I was relived in the interim cass report that they considered social transition not to be neutral. Don't get me wrong, I buy my kid dresses and all the sparkly things he loves.

But kids identities are in flux at this age and we need to reinforce the message that any one can like any thing, since gender stereotypes are so present and easy for kids to hold on to. If my kid wants different pronouns when he's a little older then great. But yeah, this stuff has to be worked out with the specific child and their best interests in mind. Not by some activist on Twitter and not by Braverman either in a culture war.

are the universities of Cambridge and Paris in the habit of admitting stupid people?

Big Green
What is your 7 year old child watching /exposed to that he even knows anything about pronouns?(other than what they are grammatically)

if he wants to use female pronouns it’s almost definitely because he has been told that dresses etc are for girls.

You are obviously doing the right thing in letting him wear whatever he wants etc

”If my kid wants different pronouns when he's a little older then great”

can you explain why it would be ‘great’ rather than just ok or fair enough.
why would it be great for your child to be suffering from a medical condition/ subjected to life long medication etc?

I am a teacher and I am always amused by the way government ministers think schools react to every piece of nonsense that falls out of their heads. I worked in schools during the days of clause 28 and we ignored that quite happily.
Braverman isn't even education secretary so even less likely anyone will take any notice.
If this morally bankrupt government did change the law or issue direct instructions to harm children's mental health, as other governments have done, many schools will not enforce the harm. Its just what we do. Or don't do.

TullyApplebottom

Thanks for pointing out the ridiculousness of these people who thinks The daughter of immigrants who went to Cambridge is a
‘half wit.’
Ayou say it comes straight from the leftie playbook of ‘everyone who doesn’t agree with me is stupid, despite all tangible evidence to the contrary.’

Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit

do you think telling girls and boys that they can change sex and that the world must see them as they see themselves despite the evidence of their eyes is positive to their mental health then?

I think this topic as applied to schools is a complex one. I and my colleagues deal with complex matters in a nuanced case by case way. We don't knee jerk react to every idea. Mostly the problems I think you envisage don't occur. We are talking about actual young people here who have personalities and friends not abstract concepts.

I really wish her teachers hadn't fallen over themselves to show how accepting they were of her new identity. It actually seemed like they were delighted to be able to prove how great they were at equality.

I'm seeing this play out at my child's school, it's excruciating to observe.

Where on Earth does this idea come from that you have to agree or disagree with 100% of someone else’s views, and that there can be no nuance of “I agree with them on X but I disagree on Y and Z”?

Social media. It's a relative new phenomenon.

I really don’t think you’ve thought that through. You don’t get those degrees without having some intelligence to call on. How many of her critics actually have any evidence that they are more intelligent?

What possible relevance have pronouns to do with which clothes he likes?

This is so messed up. Boys can like sparkly clothes, what sort of 1950s regressive shit makes anyone think that they are therefore a girl?

Does he have a penis? If so, he’s a boy. If he likes dresses, he’s a boy who likes dresses.

Just like that school that allowed the young girl to be bullied out for questioning the trans agenda…

Pronouns should be solely about grammar. If I had a girl in front of me wanting to be called Aaron, I'd agree (with the consent of her parents) because I want the child to feel comfortable. And changing a name has no meaningful consequences beyond that. However, I should not have to use grammatically incorrect pronouns, to affirm a belief I do not share. I might, as a social nicety, but I shouldn't be compelled to. Reality does matter.

Schools do lose their shit over uniform, for some reason - it wouldn't kill them to just let kids wear the version they feel most comfortable with. And there should be some rejigging of loos and changing areas so that all kids can enjoy privacy. This would remove a lot of the areas of contention in school.

In my DC case, as obviously they approached me and I was at first surprised, they had very definite reasons
This wasn't something done because another mate was doing it.

They are female presenting. They had come out as gay 2 years before. We fully supported this- no reason not to.

Their attitude is women are treated, to put it bluntly, like shit. They feel that all anyone ever sees is female or male. Men are able to do as they wish. Women are placed in two columns- sexy, fit Love Island influencer and thus "worthy and wanted" and everyone else. They said they didn't want to be a body, a vessel of good looking or everything else. That they don't subscribe to female led beliefs and although they also don't feel male, they prefer to be in the middle.
They dress like most teens now in hoody and skinny jeans. They have a short floppy Bob and describe themselves as "alternative". They use the shortened, more associated with masculine version of their feminine name but then, they are named after two family members and both used the more male associated name as a nickname but were and are very much still female.
They were respectful when we hit a bump in that I was getting married and I asked them to be involved, they agreed to be a bridesmaid, with the agreement that at the reception they could get changed into casual clothes- all my bridesmaids did this as it was hot and I didn't wear my wedding dress for long after either

I can accommodate their wishes for as long as this lasts. They've been through some pretty shit times due to the pandemic. Their school has a club for LGBTQ+ where allies are welcome. School is making a safe space for changing for PE ready for next term.

I've explained that in my view, I would rather females in their generation did stuff to make things better for girls rather than declaring themselves neither. That many have already become politically aware and stuff far earlier than my generation did and some kick ass females smashing the patriarchy would be cool. Their attitude was they understood this but felt that it was too much to achieve, too ingrained, too big a task.

Obviously that's my teen, I can't comment for others and their choices. Mermaids is not in their school. School asked me if it was fine to refer to them by their preferred name.

They are happy and as a parent that's all you can hope for, right?