Every household?????

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So, the chancellor is going to give every household £400 for heating. Surely there should be a cut off of household income? The Beckhams, Elton John, james Dyson, Harry styles…….they all get the money too? . I say this as someone in the fortunate position of not needing the £400- I’d much rather it went to someone who does need it.Just seems a huge waste of public money to give it to everyone

Chances are those high earners proberly pay more contributions in a few months than we I earn .
We will already take half there income of them in tax TBH I don't begrudge them £400 if they need it or not there tax contributions are bank rolling the country

We have an ok household income, but will be very grateful for this extra, we usually miss out.

@Alexandra2001 you ignored the fact that people on higher incomes contribute more to society. Like it or not, it's fact. Therefore, I'll be keeping my £400.

If only we had a way of knowing which individuals earn the most already built into our system. Oh wait…….

disabled people may be entitled to more if their income is low and they get other means tested benefits. Some Disabled people can also work and there are disabled millionaires. Disabled does not necessarily translate into being poor. They could be totally fair and assess every single household in the country as to worthiness but it would cost more than the money they are actually giving out

I find it utterly awful that Boris thought we could all be distracted from party gate/ how badly they are fucking up the economy by dishing out £400 to us like we are easily distractable toddlers.

But it seems to have worked

Also - @Hhoney - if you can't make ends meet on £100k household income then that is due to poor planning on your part. Sorry, but it's utterly ridiculous to claim otherwise. And I say that as someone with £100k income (but who managed fine on much less), so it's not envy speaking.

Not ignoring any fact at all & i'm certainly not blaming anyone who keeps it, i will be, new tyres.

But from a "whats good for the UK" pov, this policy is total madness.

Jeez just 2 years ago we all ripped into Corbyn for promising Free Broad Band, something that would actually have boosted UK productivity, unlike this, which tbh shows that Sunak hasn't a fiscally prudent bone in his body.

So the sole purpose of high earners is to permanently subsidise everyone else and God forbid they get something in return for their taxes? £400 does make a difference for every family, even if they are on 100k or 200k family income. Obviously supporting admin to figure out and process income based support will cost similar or money than spent on such households, but who cares as it is 'not fair, right?

hmrc know what individuals earn not households. The money is not being given to individuals it is being given to households. You could have one partner earning hundreds of thousands and the other not working at all, plus adult children not working

We also are well off and pay large amounts of tax, but when people and families are right up against the wall I know where I'd rather the helping hand would go.
Doesn't matter about tax contributions, does it?? People are suffering. 🙄

At last I get something back from the government. I fed up of being a net taxpayer being responsible and living within my means. Not having children spending money on insulating house rather than foreign holidays. Whilst those that don't cry out expecting more and more from the state. So few people seems responsible today to earn more money and look after themselves only have kids when they can afford them and don't retrain and reskill to maximize earnings. One of the biggest complainers I know about heating costs runs her house like a sauna (all day as she doesn't work) and doesn't ever have a jumper on yet still thinks the government should "fix" her heating costs. Seriously if the tax rate increases any more I emigrate or simply choose to earn less by reducing hours.

Where does rich people's money come from? Magic money trees? It comes off the back of workers and from the pocket of other workers. You get it from somewhere - us. Contribute more to society, my arse.

I agree with this one. Yet when they were desperate to buy people off 20 -30 years ago, they first sold off all the publicly owned national resources and the shares for them cheaply. Then it was selling houses cheap to those who had never worked for them. Then it was selling people, young people to live as tenants, working to give the baby boomers 3rd, 4th or 10th houses in their precious pension portfolios. And what’s the result now? All that’s left to buy is off with is a £400 bonus as the cost of living is finally acknowledged to be rising, wages fall, nothing is worth doing, and the streets are not safe to walk around in. What do they expect, cheering?

If you don't need it then donate it. I expect a lot of people who are comfortably off will do just that.

I wish more people thought like you OP, unfortunately we are a greedy grabby society.
£400 will go nowhere towards helping the poorest.

Declaring something to be 'fact' does not make it so. Trickle down has been completely disproven. Higher earners do not contribute more, some pay more tax but many also hoard more rather than spending, pollute more and often behave in antisocial ways such as avoiding (some to the point of evading and some beyond the point of evading) tax.

A society with fewer extremely high earners, more progressive taxation and greater equality along the model of scandinavian economies would be better for all of us.

Keep your £400 if keeping money matters to you. I personally already intended to donate my £150 council tax rebate even though I am a not close to being a high earner, I have yet to decide what I will do with any other funds.

You can. Just donate the same amount to the cause of your choice.

hmrc know what individuals earn not households. The money is not being given to individuals it is being given to households. You could have one partner earning hundreds of thousands and the other not working at all, plus adult children not working

Sorry but households don't have a bank account, this is 400 per uk address but it will have a name to the payee, probably male and spent before the main childcare provider gets it.

This is not about helping the poor but as a bribe to the middle classes to keep the faith.... Cash out to Splash out :(

A good cause currently, I would suggest, is to the Lib Dems Tiverton campaign, or the Labour party Wakefield campaign

I think it’s this too.

100k is considered rich compared to the average. If everyone earns more then everything costs more. There are only rich people because there are poorer people doing vital work for low pay. If checkout workers and factory workers get paid more then goods cost more. If nurses get more tax will need to go up to pay for it.

Anyway 30k is not a low household income. It's around average. Most people manage perfectly well on that sort of amount. If you are lucky enough to earn more then good for you, however please don't claim to be poor.

Im glad that I finally get something back from the government. Sick of being told I "earn to much". Why shouldn't I receive what everyone else does🤷🏻‍♀️I pay enough in to the system!

Why don’t they exclude people paying higher rate tax? An easy way to means test as HMRC have this information.

Exactly, I have people who complain about universal benefits just because they don’t need them rather than do exactly this! Each household’s circumstances are different, I actually had far more disposable income as a single mother on benefits than as current blended family with child maintenance going out, a large family to house etc, however we are not considered low income because children not resident full time aren’t counted. There will be other families that have high mortgages, undiagnosed disability, students, all manner of reasons why they don’t receive means tested benefits but are not actually any better off than those on benefits. Far more people will genuinely benefit from a universal system. Not only this, people who are struggling and paying taxes do tend to get a bit miffed when they are always just outside the threshold for receiving help and can’t blame them for thinking they may as well just make sure they keep under it. Just be thankful your lucky enough to not need it and donate it to charity

Presumably it's cheaper to give it to everybody than to means test it. DH and I discussed this yesterday and agreed we'd donate ours to a local food bank.