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Why the fuck is Boris Johnson still Prime Minister?

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noblegiraffe · 26/05/2022 17:18

Fucksake. I mean seeing minister after minister wheeled out to defend the indefensible in the media rounds. Do they have no shame? Prattling on about how it was an 'essential part of leadership' to be a Toastmaster to an illegal piss-up. No, leadership was the Queen sat alone at a funeral, like so many of her subjects had to do. Not carrying on with your unprofessional boozy work culture and then have your team crow about how they 'got away with it' when they successfully didn't vomit in front of the cameras there for another press conference telling everyone how important it was to stick to the rules.

Johnson knew it wasn't right to have birthday parties when he personally wrote to a kid saying they were right to not have theirs, but then thought it was just fine to have one of his own and then announce that all rules had been followed to Parliament? (The police disagree, as does anyone who was forced to cancel their own celebrations).

Telling people that it was his duty to have a party for leaving colleagues while at the same time people couldn't be with dying family?

And now they are having the gall to say that he has accepted full responsibility? How? That sort of statement is followed by a resignation, not a 'now let's forget about it and move on'. How has he demonstrated that he has done anything apart from his utmost to weasel out of taking any sort of responsibility, to the point of asking Sue Gray to give up on her report? The report that that he told the rest of us that we had to wait months for the outcome of to find out what he already knew.

He says he wants to deliver what the British people want. Polls said yesterday that a majority want him to resign. Get the fuck on with it then.

But polls also showed that only a tiny minority of people actually believe he has the integrity to do the right thing (learned from bitter experience).

So what, the British people are stuck with this craven, corrupt liar as leader?

Well no. He could be no-confidenced by his MPs. What the fuck are they waiting for? Do they think it is to their benefit to have him shitting over public office every day? 'Oh but they can't think of anyone better'. What exactly does that say about the state of the Tory party if that's true?

Cannot stand seeing his face, hearing his pathetic lies, seeing his shitty schtick any more. JUST FUCK OFF BORIS.

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Clavinova · 27/05/2022 10:11

daimbarsatemydogsbone
I think you mean members of government giving huge sums to their cronies in return for no PPE.

Jolyon Maugham's legal challenges are not going as well as he makes out;

Court of Appeal refuses the Good Law Project permission to appeal in ‘Pestfix’ PPE procurement challenges,
03 May 2022

The Good Law Project sought to appeal on six grounds. Permission was refused on all grounds.

The appellants sought to appeal the trial judge’s s.31(2A) SCA 1981 ruling. O’Farrell J found, in respect of the PestFix and Ayanda contracts, that the respondent had acted unlawfully in conferring preferential treatment by allocating them to a ‘High Priority Lane’. However, she went on to find that it was highly likely that, even if they had not been allocated to that Lane, the outcome would not have been substantially different and the contracts would still have been awarded to PestFix and Ayanda.

www.monckton.com/court-of-appeal-refuses-the-good-law-project-permission-to-appeal-in-pestfix-ppe-procurement-challenges/

Ferngreen · 27/05/2022 10:20

Onthedowns · 26/05/2022 17:20

I agree but many think he can do no wrong 🙄

Utter bollox. Everyone thinks he's done wrong but the Tories are scared to get rid because they ahve no one else to step in.

Confuseddotcombo · 27/05/2022 10:21

Honestly it’s the hair. That’s the only reason he is still in power. Like a cute little cherubic boy, be gets away with murder. Our society is so conditioned into excusing his behaviour due to his image and brand.

Someone posted a photoshopped photo on here with brown hair. There’s no way he would have even become PM or let alone stayed in power if he had brown hair.

It’s really, really weird. But true.

noblegiraffe · 27/05/2022 10:30

Aw Clav my money was on you coming on here and wittering about Sir Beer Korma. What a disappointment.

I guess Boris missed the instruction to steer clear of that topic as it might remind people that Starmer said he would resign if found to have broke the law. Shame we cannot expect the same of Johnson.

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noblegiraffe · 27/05/2022 10:35

I was thinking about the argument that Tory MPs won’t no-confidence him till there’s a successor, like when Theresa May clung onto power despite being shit.

But this isn’t like the Theresa May situation. She was a crap PM. She wasn’t an actively corrupt one. Tory MPs should see getting rid of Johnson as a matter of principle and the first step in cleaning up the party.

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SueSaid · 27/05/2022 10:36

God, they've just launched a site to highlight how folk can access financial help announced yesterday. How very dare they. I'm discusted.

noblegiraffe · 27/05/2022 10:42

What, Boris Johnson has personally launched a website to offer financial help?

That must have significantly cut into his drinking time.

I wonder what all those ministers and civil servants do if Boris is out doing their jobs for them.

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Clavinova · 27/05/2022 10:45

noblegiraffe
Aw Clav my money was on you coming on here and wittering about Sir Beer Korma. What a disappointment.
I guess Boris missed the instruction to steer clear of that topic as it might remind people that Starmer said he would resign if found to have broke the law.

Keir Starmer has no choice but to resign if he is fined - he labelled Rishi Sunak a 'guilty man' and said he 'had to go'.

I've seen the photo of Rishi Sunak;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855143/Party-photos-casts-doubt-Boris-Johnson-Rishi-Sunak-fines-Tory-MP-says.html

And the photos of Nicola Sturgeon:

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/8726923/police-nicola-sturgeon-mask/

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nicola-sturgeon-accused-hypocrisy-after-26337343

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6442097/nicola-sturgeon-sorry-mask-covid-breach/

Calafsidentity · 27/05/2022 10:46

I'm interested in why not more has been made of Johnson's links with Evgeny Lebedev, as detailed in this Guardian article by Carole Cadwalladr:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/13/putin-has-already-deployed-a-chemical-weapon-in-salisbury

Seriously dodginess over which there reigns an Orwellian silence!

noblegiraffe · 27/05/2022 10:49

Keir is right, guilty men should go.

Off you fuck, Boris.

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noblegiraffe · 27/05/2022 10:53

I'm interested in why not more has been made of Johnson's links with Evgeny Lebedev

God knows. I’m baffled as to why he didn’t go when it was confirmed he’d been giving taxpayer money to his mistress who he’d lied about and said was a tech adviser.

But the Lebedev stuff is a matter of national security, not just common or garden corruption. It should definitely have more prominence.

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SueSaid · 27/05/2022 10:55

'What, Boris Johnson has personally launched a website to offer financial help'

No not personally, I said 'they'. I presume they have tech staff fo do this stuff, to launch a website to set out the financial help the Government have announced.

noblegiraffe · 27/05/2022 10:57

So why is that relevant on a thread about Boris Johnson personally? Does it make him less corrupt? Less of a liar? Less of a security liability?

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SueSaid · 27/05/2022 11:04

'So why is that relevant on a thread about Boris Johnson personally'

Well, he's head of the Government, so in charge you see. So it is of course relevant if you want him to fuck off to point out the positive things he is involved in. Yes I know he had a fpn for surprise birthday greetings at work but the rest of the damp squib report showed civil servants were the ones getting pissed, not him.

I feel a bit sorry for Cummings tbh, imagine his fury at the penny dropping that his campaign of leaks failed.

Notonthestairs · 27/05/2022 11:04

Anyone who believes that Johnson only deserved one FPN is spectacularly gullible.

I'd put money on Johnson leaving the questionnaires blank. The police couldn't oblige him to complete them.

The birthday gathering was irrefutable simply because the official photographer was present.

thecatfromjapan · 27/05/2022 11:07

SueSaid · 27/05/2022 10:36

God, they've just launched a site to highlight how folk can access financial help announced yesterday. How very dare they. I'm discusted.

It all demonstrates that the Conservatives have a Leader (& we all have a PM) with no sense of political strategy or direction.

He marched his MPs away from financial help. Marched them hard.

That was stupid.

Then he marched them back.

I
Taking pictures ideas from the Opposition is fine.
U-turns are fine.

noblegiraffe · 27/05/2022 11:07

Well, he's head of the Government, so in charge you see.

but the rest of the damp squib report showed civil servants were the ones getting pissed, not him.

Is he in charge or not? In charge when civil servants set up a website, nothing to do with him when they are drunk? I mean, these parties were work events were they not?

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newnamethanks · 27/05/2022 11:09

O they're all here. Dropping this off early🍺. And in case any reminders required for the undomesticated Dog🍾🍷🍕🍾🍾🍾🍷. Lacking a pool of vom emoji sadly.

thecatfromjapan · 27/05/2022 11:11

Sorry, phone acting up.

Taking policy ideas from the Opposition is fine - to a point.

U-turns are fine - to a point.

But the point where it's not OK is when you're doing it because the PM is a guy who just doesn't do policy or strategy.

He's lazy.

Chaotic.

Too self-loving to do the work he is in place to do.

So, you can spin this as great if you want to - and in the short term, it is a relief.

But the reason Conservative MPs are worried - and they are - is because it's just a sticking plaster o we the festering wound of being led by a narcissistic chaos-donkey.

thecatfromjapan · 27/05/2022 11:15

I mean, we have a PM whose approach to governing is to steal someone else's homework.

At some point, the penny drops that it is easier and more effective, to put the guys who did the work in charge.

And guess what?

They'll do it faster - and without the corruption, cronyism, drinking, vomiting and the base-line contempt for the electorate.

SueSaid · 27/05/2022 11:21

'he in charge or not? In charge when civil servants set up a website, nothing to do with him when they are drunk'

Well yes he is.The Government have announced a massive financial package for the cost of living crisis, this is good, no?

He can't be held responsible for pissed up civil servants, as the Met indeed found. Please don't trot out 'the fish rots from the head' I'm sure every civil servant has a direct line manager to deal with the stuff. It'd be like fining the Queen if one of her cleaners had a gathering and vomited in their staff areas.

bellinisurge · 27/05/2022 11:23

They dumped all the half intelligent Tories because of Brexit so all the fifth rate MPs left have no one better to pick.

KettrickenSmiled · 27/05/2022 11:25

Alexander Piffle's mussed-up bonhomie schtick is a calculated construction.
He is a dangerous sociopath who is ONLY interested in Alexander, & undeserved applause.

This Jeremy Vine article pierces the myth of the 'lovable rogue', showing it for the cynical facade it is - reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/

bellinisurge · 27/05/2022 11:25

"He can't be held responsible for pissed up civil servants, as the Met indeed found. "

Yeah but could you imagine that shot going on if Theresa May had been in charge. I'm a civil servant that deals with heavy challenging stuff. I would be out on my arse if I behaved like that.

KettrickenSmiled · 27/05/2022 11:29

The Master of Eton College wrote to Boris Johnson's father about his behaviour in April 1982.

Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. It is a question of priorities, which most of his colleagues have no difficulty in sorting out. Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half). I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.

MARTIN HAMMOND, MASTER IN COLLEGE, ETON

LETTER TO STANLEY JOHNSON, 10 APR 1982