Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

I think I missed loads. Haven't had a chance to watch it today as I've been so busy.

Think I'm just going to wait for closing arguments tomorrow

@IrisVersicolor I could do that but that would undoubtedly take several weeks to put together to be done thoroughly.

One example - the judge said that AH couldn't have caused the scratches to herself as she has no history of self harm. Next moment he says that JD caused his own injuries. However JD has no history of self harm either so that reasoning is flawed and biased. You can't use one set of reasoning for one then abandon it for another.

So AH in her cross basically just said anyone who testified in support of JD was a liar.

Really? That's her defence.

It didn't look good did it.

It didn't at all and she started to get angry. Mind you, that doesn't bother me as everyone gets annoyed but she was basically calling everyone else a liar. She even insinuated that the man who owned that trailer palace wasn't who he said he was and wasn't there.

“A woman recounting [what she claims is] her experience of domestic violence in itself is traumatic for many survivors. But that evidence being not just denied, but ridiculed, is deeply harmful and humiliating,” says Ruth Davison, chief executive of the domestic violence charity Refuge. “This is a real trial. The humorousness [around] what’s actually deeply offensive worries me.” Whatever the ultimate verdict in this case, the public response to it sheds a disturbing light on how misogyny persists even in a supposedly “woke” generation.”

“Wall-to-wall coverage of this case, televised in the US and live-streamed worldwide on YouTube, will have reawakened painful memories for many survivors. Yet for some on social media, the sight of Heard breaking down on the witness stand as she accused her ex-husband of sexually assaulting her with a bottle (claims he denies) seems to be just another form of entertainment, a juicy box set or episode of Love Island to be chewed over with friends.”

It will go to the jury in early afternoon. Four hours of closings, an hour for lunch, time for jury instructions....I doubt they will get through much today other than paperwork unless everyone is unanimous from the start.

Then they have a long weekend and back to it on Tuesday.

What else can she say though?
'Oh sorry the guy claiming to be the owner must be right, sorry for all the trouble i must have been mistaken.'

I know everyone else thinks the woodwork crawlers are amazing last minute witnesses for J but I thought the tmz guy was slimy and after his five minutes and the trailer guy, not a clue. Would love to know if there was any indirect incentive for appearing.

I have thought of this too - that once anyone testifying has said something, they can't go back on it or admit they lied or admit anything different without it being perjury. They also can't admit to their own wrongdoings related to the claims because it would prejudice the case against them.

Obviously the answer is to tell the truth in the first place and being confronted with opposing evidence to your testimony is the point of the trial but there really isn't a way out to tell the truth once something has been said that wasn't true.

Exactly. I know we have different views on the truth of what she says but the end result is she can't say anything else really.

It is so interesting how there is a difference in how witnesses are viewed. If I had to sit through it I would be quite cynical about the 'anonymous tip' people.

I don't know if I would be any more cynical of them than the 'expert' witnesses who are paid to say specific things. I think the woodwork people are less biased than many testifying. They also don't have court room experience so they come across differently on the stand than witnesses who have been prepared or legal teams. The jury instructions should clarify how hard or easy the task is for the jury and what exactly they have to consider.

Oh yes, paid to say what you want to hear - I think expert witnesses come down to who appears more confident, likeable, credentials etc.
So that's me ruling out anyone from being trustworthy...

Perjury is set at such a high bar that it is no deterrent at all. This trial has also shown at times subtle to obvious misleading of the court. There have been experts on both sides that are nothing more than guns for hire. I found Julian Ackert testimony on cross showed no duty to the court on providing accurate information. As an expert in the field to stare at two photographs that are the same and pretend otherwise renders him not an expert. I believe the TMZ guy only because TMZ would come after him if he hadn’t told the truth. He gave the source without giving the source. For me it has always been how many times can Amber be wrong before you question what she says is right. If I was on the jury she has passed my tolerance of bull shit. It doesn’t mean she lying about abuse it just that I can’t tell what’s real and what’s not. Depp is vile but that doesn’t mean he’s done some or all of the things he’s been accused of.

@Boulshired

I pretty much write off professional experts. They said he has testified for this defense team more than 20 times. Any one who is basically on call to testify as needed isn't very helpful to the case. That to me makes him lack any objectivity. I am okay with expert witnesses who have a technical skill or knowledge specific to the case like the hand surgeons.

I agree - for me Amber has no credibility.

What time will it be on today ? I'm trying to get work finished in time to get home and watch the closing

The best expert for me I thought was grandad metadata
Factual calm and was shire of what he was saying

2pm

Starts at 2 I think?

There’s a difference between self harm and self-inflicted injuries - A&Es are full of people with drunken injuries of a weekend.

Depp has a long history of drug and alcohol abuse. Self-inflicted injuries in those states are fairly common.

He was good but what did he actually say? The photos can't be validated which we already knew. They went through an editing site. When pressed and backed into a corner by AHs lawyer who wanted him to say a yes/no answer he felt he couldn't give he was very good. But ultimately he couldn't say definitely they had been edited or how or by whom. He obviously wanted to say something about the changes in colours- perhaps clarifying this meant they had been edited but annoyingly wasn't allowed. I would have liked him to be able to continue with that. He said that the editing Could have simply involved changing the size of the orientation of the photo. It was how these photos were handed over which meant they couldn't be verified. Did she do that on purpose?

So from his testimony do people think AH 100% edited the photos or she downloaded them into multiple devises- which you would do. Which distorted them so much from the original it is impossible to say? It's very interesting it took them so long to hand the images over though. Was that because she was busy changing them?

I didn’t dare go to SM last last night as I can only imagine the cesspit, so it completely passed me by the cross of Amber ended so abruptly because Camilla had got Amber to say she wrote the Op Ed with “his power, that’s why I wrote the Op Ed”. Very different to “the only person who thinks the Op Ed is about Johnny, is Johnny.”

Neumeister and Dr Shaw on the two experts who I would trust.

@mummyrocks1 Neumeister didn’t have the originals and didn’t have the devices. The photographs couldn’t be verified by him or no one. Defense wasted his time and expertise.

And she said she wrote it to take away his power. Whether or not that is malicious intent, I don't know officially.

For someone who was upset about powerful men - it is interesting that after JD and the divorce of someone she felt had too much power, she dated Elon for almost 2 years! She certainly went for another even more powerful man.

I know, that's my point. So do people think this is evidence she changed these photos? They aren't real.

@mummyrocks1 i would say yes, the two photographs that are the same but different tones according to amber were took under different conditions, they have the same date and time. Anyone looking at the images can see they are versions of the same image. So one of them is fake, it can’t even be shown that both are not the original image. They ignored a court order to supply devices.