To think that the partygoers at Downing Street should be sacked

[MaMaLa321]

Until I read the Sue Gray report today I was, frankly, fairly 'meh' about the whole thing, but it's appalling isn't it?
The Head of Ethics, Helen MacNamara, taking a karaoke machine to a party. Martin Reynolds, a high level civil servant (due to be our next ambassador to Saudi) boasting on WhatsApp about 'getting away with it'. Vomit on the walls. Cleaners and security staff abused.
I don't buy the blaming of Johnson (though I believe he should resign). They are all adults, and many were probably in the job before he came along.
I'd sack them and take away their nice pensions.

Civil servant Kate Josephs was a director general in the Covid Task Force, who normally worked with about 12 people in the office. Invitations were sent to about 40 people to attend her leaving drinks event on 17th December 2020, and about 30 turned up and partied from around 7pm to midnight, although some left after the speeches. Reports suggest she received a fixed penalty notice for this event but this has not been confirmed.

She is currently CEO of Sheffield City Council - appointed by the Labour administration at a salary over £200,000. She has been on paid leave since 14th January - earning around £70,000 since then.

Is it not time for her to resign, or for Labour to get off the fence and sack her?

The only reason this has been "going on for months" is because Government
~asked us to wait for the Sue Gray report, ~then held back full publication of the Sue Gray report while a police investigation was ongoing,
~then delayed giving information to the police investigation (or didn't give the police any information at all in the case of several senior figures),
~then delayed the investigation for local elections (which are not full purdah anyway)
~then finally published the Sue Gray report, and told us that we should stop wasting time over all the Partygate stuff.

Without all the government delay, Sue Gray would have reported months ago, the only people wasting time were the government.

The law still matters to only some, I see.

Integrity and honour still matter to only some too.

Yes, she should resign / be sacked.

That isn't a gotcha that makes what Boris and his cohorts did any better though.

You really are showing yourself up.

“Conservative MP, John Stevenson, told the BBC that he and his colleagues would make "final judgements" on Mr Johnson's future in the next two to three weeks.”
Any reason not to read this as ‘lets see if it hurts us further in the polls”?

When are the Wakefield and Tiverton by elections? I guess they'll wait and see whether the Tory vote can survive those and if not will try to prise his fingers off the throne.

Yes, I think all the senior staff need to go.

More junior roles, I know what that kind of culture is like and there may have been pressure to attend, even if you didn't want to.

PM needs to go. Saying goodbye to leavers is "essential leadership" at a time when people weren't able to say goodbye to dying relatives. FFS, did anyone even read that back before sending him out to say it?!

Give it a rest. He died whilst the pm was getting pissed up.

They aren't going to get rid of him or any of the top lot

They'll pick a couple of scapegoats then try to make us focus on this cash they're bunging our way. They'll get us nicely fighting over who deserves it more and why should some people get more... then it'll be forgotten about and it'll be business as usual. We'll be told lessons have been learned and told that we need to focus on the war and the escalating energy prices and then some stuff about moving forward.
Boris will do his hunched over messy hair aren't I a loveable buffoon routine and it'll be nothing but chip wrappers before you can say who's he shagging now.

I think you need to engage brain before you approach your keyboard.

^. This

If you feel that this is unacceptable, as I do, then write to your MPs. The more people do that, the more they will have to listen.

I think this is a really important issue that transcends party politics. This is about maintaining our democracy and social stability. If this is the standard of behaviour set at a government level then why shouldn’t all of us behave like that?

Why should we follow the rules and law when they don’t. It sets the bar very low. The fact that he lied in Parliament is key too. We need a government that we can trust. We have some definite and possible challenges ahead that will make the pandemic seem like a walk in the park. I personally want a government at the helm that take their job seriously. Who act with honesty, integrity and genuinely care about their fellow humans. I certainly do not want people who feel it’s ok to drink to the point of vomiting in their place of work, nor a leader who condones that. It’s adolescent. I want grown ups and right now I don’t even care that much which party they represent right now.

If you are not angry about this and you don’t want a change in leadership (regardless of party politics) then you don’t fully understand the ramifications.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/27/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-to-remove-need-to-resign-over-breaches

He is now changing the Parliamentary Code so he avoids having to resign. He thinks we are stupid. And that’s because his dad taught him that we are stupid.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGr3qbOPHoE

WTF!

If you don't like the rules because you want to break the rules, you change the rules.

Tories.

I'm going to do this at work.
Write myself a new contract.
It's genius.

That's the thing, isn't it? If the people running the country don't have to follow the rules but can just change them, why should the rest of us pay them a lick of attention?

GladysEehmmanuel · Today 17:22
I'm going to do this at work.
Write myself a new contract.
It's genius.

OMG! That is genius. There are so many things I can now do in my publicly paid role. Cheese and wine at all meetings from now on of course.