To think that the partygoers at Downing Street should be sacked

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Until I read the Sue Gray report today I was, frankly, fairly 'meh' about the whole thing, but it's appalling isn't it?
The Head of Ethics, Helen MacNamara, taking a karaoke machine to a party. Martin Reynolds, a high level civil servant (due to be our next ambassador to Saudi) boasting on WhatsApp about 'getting away with it'. Vomit on the walls. Cleaners and security staff abused.
I don't buy the blaming of Johnson (though I believe he should resign). They are all adults, and many were probably in the job before he came along.
I'd sack them and take away their nice pensions.

And this is why Johnson as leader should go. If we had another serious variant people will be less likely to follow guidelines. This may risk more lives.

That’s exactly what I said this evening to husband….also my son had his 21st sitting on doorstep with one friend and I was stressing about what the neighbours would think !! Accept that it was a million times worse for people who died and for the relatives 😢Am fucking furious and have sent email to our TORY mp !!

Ethics - moral principles that govern a person's behaviour or the conducting of an activity.
The Head of Ethics, Helen MacNamara, taking a karaoke machine to a party.

After that we could have Ebola on the rampage and nobody would follow the guidance.
People have lost so much while our government mocked us.

Of course, for all the (justified) handwringing, he won’t go and the Tories won’t oust him.

I’m sure that there are several Tory MPs with integrity that are as angry as we are but, as a whole, the party is an ethical abyss that holds the general population in contempt, led by someone whose hilarious incompetence is apparently his selling point.

And yet they’ll still probably win the next GE.

Why not ? For example operation mincemeat ?

It says a lot that there aren't 54 Tories prepared to put in a letter!! Unbelievable, as for no one to take Johnson's place that is a sad indictment on the whole party.
Shame on them.

He's is a ghastly C*ckwomble who has absolutely no shame. The little girl who sent him a letter saying she was not going to hold her birthday party - got a reply from BoJo praising her. Sickening.
Will no one rid us of him? Not asking for responses as in the death of Thomas Becket Obvs

There are really important things happening in the world, and so it's hard to believe that this complete non-story is still getting attention. I don't think I know anyone who is bothered about it although, admittedly, the investigation has been a massive waste of Met Police time and resources.

Since there are so many important things happening in the world, don’t you think it’s a concern that the current government appear to spend half their time getting shitfaced?

Yeah yeah it's a stitch up, move along, nothing to see here 🙄
Glad you took the time to comment on the thread though.

This. It's all very well BJ saying we should put this behind us and let them get on with governing the country - but it's blindingly obvious they are not fit to govern.

Exactly so it’s even more crucial that our serving PM and cronies are
A…sober
B …not hungover
C…trustworthy
D…behave in a professional manner
E ..are beyond reproach
Am sure you can agree on this !!

Yes, i saw that email too... I was shocked at how tone deaf it was.

It has been an absolute waste of resources, all they had to do was

• follow the rules they set
• if they really couldn't stand to do that, admit they did wrong when caught out.

The investigation happened because they

• broke the rules
• then lied about it over and over and over and over again

We expect our young children to fess up when they're caught out and we give them consequences when they lie.

Why do we seem to expect less of fully grown adults who are in positions of such power?

This. In shed loads.

I think a lot of people commenting don’t know the difference between the Civil Service, the Government and PMs staff and advisers. Few members of the government (or even the cabinet) have been fined. The Government decides on policy. Not the Civil Service. They, along with various advisers, advise and write the policies and laws the Government wants. Most fines were directed at relatively junior members of the Civil Service who lacked leadership. They also completed Police forms regarding their activities. I’ve seen it reported that senior Civil Service employees didn’t fill in the forms so didn’t get the fines. They and BJ set the tone but did “get away with it”.

The somewhat annoying thing is the Police have bungled this. Everyone at a “do” wasn’t fined. In one case only one person was. Sadiq Khan is asking why this happened and for an explanation regarding other discrepancies in who was fined and who wasn’t.

The law was about as watertight as a sieve and the public believed every word it was told. Clearly 10 Downing Street didn’t believe it’s own rhetoric. As for BoJo going: They won’t get rid of him yet. The leader in waiting has fluffed his tax lines and no one else looks PM quality. Not that the Conservatives know what that looks like as they voted for a liar and a cheat (amongst other things!)

It depends though doesn’t it? I followed the laws for my own sake and that of the wider community but if I was one of those who was left unable to visit a dying relative, for example, I’d absolutely feel like a mug (to put it lightly).

The rules were stupid. And young healthy people following the stupid rules was equally stupid. Those in the know didn’t follow them because they knew they had nothing to worry about. None of the partygoers died of Covid.

Oh dear. Even after all this, people are willing to be duped.

...sorry forgot this was just about piece of cake! Or that's what a lot of the press are pedaling...

No ..its about lacking in leadership which caused more deaths ... non attendance at Cobr..

No PPE or planning due to ignoring pandemic planning.

Not protecting care home residents.. 'let the bodies pile high'

Profiteering by tory mates.

Sending kids back to school for one day..which contributed to mixing and seeding more cases...

Many many people are bothered by it...many people have suffered real trauma...I for one will not be gaslighted to think otherwise.

I must admit I’ve not read beyond the conclusions of Sue Grey’s report (I’m in work currently so, naturally, am too drunk to digest the whole thing) but I did note her conclusion that many of the events were attended by leaders in government.

I'd sack them and take away their nice pensions
This ^ 100%
Anyone I know would be sacked in a second for this behaviour.

I can't believe how many people interviewed on the news said 'it's time we moved on, there are far more important things to worry about, and it's time we let this drop'. I wonder if they would feel that way, if they had been unable to say goodbye to someone they loved because they weren't allowed to break the rules? Even the Queen sat alone during the service to bury her husband, and yet that lot in Downing Street were allowed to party as if they didn't have a care in the world, and our Prime Minister not only condoned it, but joined in. Personally, I was so angry when I heard the outcome of Sue Gray's report that I immediately emailed our Tory MP, and asked him what he was going to do to oust this joke of a leader, as he's previously indicated that he was disgusted by what went on. I'll be interested to see what response I get - probably something along the lines of, it's time to let this go now, Boris has said he's sorry and it's time to let him get back to running the country. The thing is, as I'm sure we've all told our children, saying sorry when you don't mean it, just doesn't cut it, you have to prove that you're sorry, and it's clear by the way that Johnson is clinging onto power, that he's not sorry at all. Sorry for the rant but this whole thing has made my blood boil!

I am a healthcare professional. During the pandemic, I went to work, I came home, I went back to work again and I cared for, and home educated my children. I did not break lockdown rules in any way, shape or form. My Mum died, during the pandemic, in a care home, months after I had last seen her because of lockdown rules and then extra restrictions on care homes.

The Government have lied over and over again. Even when faced with the truth, they still lied. They are making a complete mockery of the sacrifices the rest of us made in order to save and preserve life during the pandemic.

The energy crisis and the war in the Ukraine, amongst other things, are very important to our society, but as an individual, I cannot support this Government. They have lied, cheated, lied again. How can any of us trust them???

They are corrupt, they have no feelings for other people's pain and they think they are more important than the rest of us - they really do, that's where the breaking of the rules come from.

Every single person, from the prime minister down, who took part in ANY of those parties, should resign.

The credibility of this country has already suffered as a result of BREXIT (rightly of wrongly), but we will be a laughing stock in the International community if we condone liars

Mass sackings would be disproportionate, surely. Partygoers have been fined and that should be the end of it.However, elements of the be media and Parliament are keeping the pot boiling. It's time to give it a rest.