Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

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If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

I'm struggling to follow the texts, the sheet said 'incoming'. Does that not mean he was sent them? The outbound ones are clearly written as outbound.

The lawyers and journalists win.

“I understand it’s in Virginia because that’s where the Washington Post is located (publisher of the Op Ed)“

The Washington post headquarters are in Washington DC, it’s owned by Jeff bezos’ nash holdings so based on Seattle... either if those would have made more sense, but they don’t live-stream so they went with where it’s physically printed instead.

I think the instructions to the jury will be very important. There are so many facets to this case and six weeks of evidence but at the end of the day, there will be specific questions to be answered.

Johnny's case rests on 3 defamatory phrases in the OpEd about 1) sexual violence, 2) Amber being a public figure representing domestic violence, and 3) institutions protecting Johnny the abuser from harm while causing the victim (Amber) to feel a culture's wrath for speaking up. Amber's case rests 3 defamatory phrases quoted by Johnny's lawyer - abuse hoax, fraud, and fake.

The two sets of lawyers have been working on jury instructions jointly and needed to give them to the judge last night. They are what will guide the jury.

I don't think this case will really shift the balance of victims coming forward. There are many who see Johnny coming forward as a victim as empowering - both men and women who might be more likely to come forward because Johnny - a not perfect and not stereotypical victim came forward and talked about it. There are also many who think that someone who is getting called out for lies really has nothing in common with someone who comes forward with an actual true abuse story. There are many, many survivors of domestic violence who have seen themselves in Johnny and their abuser in Amber and this case has been helpful in having a public example of what that dynamic can look like. There are also a few people who still think Amber is telling the truth and being really unfairly judged as lying and so those people might feel less likely to come forward.

I think the reason for this is that Johnny hasn't denied the majority of the awful texts that have come out. He also hasn't denied his drug / alcohol use and 'some' (I do think he has minimized or ignored some) of the effects and impact of that on others. He has taken responsibility for the texts and explained why he said what he did and agreed it sounds awful. He has only denied two specific texts. We only have any of these texts because he surrendered his phone and let texts on it be entered into evidence.

Amber hasn't taken respsonibility for anything, didn't hand over her phones or any original photos and texts, refused to follow court orders to hand over what she did have, and hasn't owned any part of any of it.

All of that makes Johnny more credible and believable than Amber.

I believe Johnny refused to allow testimony from the various counselors that both he and Amber attended.

Amber hasn't taken respsonibility for anything, didn't hand over her phones or any original photos and texts, refused to follow court orders to hand over what she did have, and hasn't owned any part of any of it.
This is just untrue.
She spoke to Depps psychologist
She has submitted all the photos/texts
On the stand she admitted to drugs and hitting him
His team basically object as much as they possibly can to everything coming from her side. Depps team have disallowed a load of her medical and photo evidence. They basically made it impossible for her to talk about her injuries.
I'm not sure what you are expecting from her?

She was court ordered to talk to Depp's psychologist - that was not optional or her choice. And she didn't fully cooperate with the interview.

Read the motion on the pictures. She absolutely did not submit any original photos or texts. Her team missed the deadlines and didn't use an approved format. She said she no longer had any of the phones from the time of her marriage and all she submitted was what had been backed up or saved on other devices.

She didn't take responsibility for hitting him at all. She twisted to make it seem it was defensive and she was fighting to save her sister's life.

Her photos were not allowed because they didn't submit photos that could be validated. Had she chosen to submit photos that could be validated - they too would have been approved. Depp's team were also not allowed to submit non validated photos.

I think if you count objections - you will not find that his team objects any more than hers.

If he’s your typical abusive male then he’s done a classic and manipulated everyone into believing him, armed with more money and better lawyers.

it’s a sad day for dv survivors when we see public support for the abuser and the ( likely ) victim vilified.

Neither of them have done themselves a favour by airing all this to the world.

I agree with all of this. He's just a drug-addled, bitter spoilt ageing actor and I do believe perfectly capable of throwing his toys violently out of the pram.

Hideous to see the courts entertain this circus. I cannot believe the way that some of those lawyers are behaving in that court room, laughing and sniggering at certain testimonies. The questioning too, so leading, so many allowances made for it be leading...I mean I know its an adversarial legal system but I think defamation actions like these show the real benefits of inquisatorial systems.

JD’s admitted to being a drug-addled drinker, but that doesn’t make you violent. He might be high-maintenance and a prima donna to boot, but the fact remains it’s bloody unlikely anyone turns into a wife-beater at 50. Fat & fucked up & Fifty.

Amber’s a liar, busted too many times to count. Her verbal abuse was startlingly cruel - unprovoked and to her DH’s face. She threw the first punch in every way.

‘They’re both ghastly’ seems to stay as the majority verdict - but I suspect Depp is fundamentally ok, cos Hollywood would have binned him long ago if he was as stoned and savage as Amber says.

it’s a sad day for dv survivors when we see public support for the abuser and the ( likely ) victim vilified.

If he wins, it'll be a good day for dv survivors such as myself. She's not a victim. She's the abuser.

Hollywood would have binned him long ago if he was as stoned and savage as Amber says.

History proves this untrue. Look at Harvey W and Bill Cosby. How many decades did that take.

John Lennon also. Still seen as a folk hero.

I think you have summed it up perfectly here.

Team Jonny all the way

Amber is a fame hungry attention seeker (don't like my opinion? I hope you argue the same when MN constantly slags off Meghan Markle because she is not white)

Was just about to say the same.
Powerful men get away with being abusive and sexually violent all the time. This whole trial just exposes the "mens lives are ruined" bullshit imo

I don't care one way or the other. Wealthy people having an affordable spat.

Absolutely agree.

Having survived DV, it turns you inside out and hollows out your insides. You crumble, then resist, then crumble further, then resist, and on and on until there is nothing left.

Amber is detestable. Mentioning threats against her baby is just another emotional manipulation.

Powerful men have gotten away with being abusive and abusing their power.

That means nothing when it comes to this specific case.

A generalization isn't applicable to each individual.

“JD’s admitted to being a drug-addled drinker, but that doesn’t make you violent”

He’s got a previous assault charge, plus charges for trashing hotel rooms, another ex testified that he’s verbally abusive and throws things during the U.K. case.

He’s had violent incidents going back decades.

Thankfully Amber's daughter is too young to know about any of this.

I feel for Whitney. Any time they pan to her, she is pretty much emotionless. None of Amber's dramatic testiomony moves her or upsets her. She seems either medicated or numb or just dead inside when it comes to this. SHe has a huabdn and two little kids - I also hope she can move on and find peace and happiness.

No one better launch an appeal...

Those incidents are from 80s and early 90s. He pled guilty and took responsibility and apologized and paid restitution.

I agree with this entirely.

I'm neither "Team" JD or AH, but the rhetoric that JD is somehow a saint after talking about fucking a rotten corpse baffles me.

@Midlifemusings it is by many on here , hes a man so automatically guilty by many on here
They are both pretty awful in different ways and was a very toxic relationship

Has anyone actually said hes a saint?