Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

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If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

Spot on.

Hes going to lose, because the nature of the case he brought (defamation) means he has to prove he didn't abuse her and she's lying.
What I've seen of the trial, she has photos and eye witnesses saying he was abusive. One of his key claims (she's abusive and cut his finger off) is inconsistent with his injury according to a hand surgeon. And he's had ex girlfriends and friends testify that he's jealous and controlling. The "key witnesses that will prove she lied" have all been very underwhelming and what they said in court is nothing like what social media said they would say.

I can't see how he's proved he wasn't abusive. But I think his aim was to destroy her reputation and based on comments on here and elsewhere, he's been very successful in achieving that.

I agree that he has already won in the eyes of the world.
But I still hope he gets justice.

I haven’t seen all the evidence. But from what I have seen, he should lose. She may well be abusive too but that’s not what is on trial and it doesn’t mean that he isn’t. He lost the libel case against the Sun and they had a really high threshold to meet. Hopefully even if he wins he’ll never be employed again because he’s shown himself to be a disgraceful excuse for a human being.

I see a woman who is abusive and likes to goad her partners into a fight, this was a toxic relationship and JD has always been vulnerable and has had difficulties with drink and drugs due to an abusive life growing up and AH also abused the same substances.
In my opinion if he ever did abuse her then it was in retaliation from her relentlessness, it doesn’t excuse the behaviour but she is clearly an awful person who repeatedly took advantage of him.
I say this as someone who has been abused and had to live with someone constantly pushing for fights and degrading me. It’s soul destroying, some people snap, others become a shell of their former self.

Totally agree, JD has achieved his objectives. A win for him in court would just be the cherry on the cake

JD has won. Although this isn't what the trial was about, he's proven that he was the victim of abuse and will get work again.

Amber won't get £50m even if she wins the case. She'll never work in Hollywood and will be trolled indefinitely even if she wins. Her case is full of holes and discrepancies and if the jury are like the public then they will like JD's lawyers and experts more.

It will be interesting to see if Amber faces legal consequences in Australia or the UK due to the lies that she told. Her donating £7m was one of the reasons that the judge believed her

But we already know that one of the findings that the uk judge made in the Sun's favour has been proved to be wrong. And we know that there is now contradictory evidence over another incident that would probably mean he'd find it not proven.
The UK judge took AHs testimony at face value and believed her version over Depps. And we now know by doing that he believed at least two things that were definitely not true. And because he believed one thing, he said in his ruling, that supported her claims in the other facts.

I admit that I haven’t really followed any of this but was there a jury for the U.K. trial?

@MarshaBradyo No, it was just one judge.

^^this. Her own evidence is that she hit him. The evidence of the witnesses indicates he was hit, screamed at and gaslit by her. She’s been shown up as a liar.

@MarshaBradyo And I probably am a bit naughty saying this because it's stirring a bit, but the judge's son works / worked with Dan Wooton on TalkRadio. I'm sure that didn't influence the judge but you can see how conspiracy theorists would have a field day.

Depp has clearly won the real game.
I think they may both lose in court. If they won, I would give them a dollar each for hurt feelings.
Depp will find his way back into film

And then another three who upheld the verdict and refused Depp leave to appeal 🙄

I think the jury will find in JDs favour. In my mind he should lose, since I think it's been proven his behaviour was emotionally abusive but since it's also well proven AH was physically abusive and has found to be dishonest about other aspects of the case I can see the jury going his way.

I think this case is disastrous for DV victims though. It really has reinforced to me the need the public has for "perfect victims" in either party's case.

What he is currently doing regarding taking her to court and choosing to that in the way he has, confirms to me that he is an abusive piece of shit person. He is doing what many abusers do: using the courts to hurt his ex. He didn’t have to take this to court in at least 2 different countries, he was always going to be ok because he is Johnny fucking Depp. Rich, white, male and incredibly popular- he has God like status to many people it seems, his career would have been fine, long term, or at least not adversely effected by AH’s allegations.

I'm not sure what I think, I do KMs testimony is very helpful to JD. However I don't understand the above narrative. Why shouldn't anyone take someone else to court?

And I personally disagree that he hasn't been harmed by the allegations.

I think this case is disastrous for DV victims though. It really has reinforced to me the need the public has for "perfect victims" in either party's case.

agree with this point.

JD is/was a global figure with a huge fanbase. For someone like that, the only court that matters is the court of public opinion and in that court he appears to be the winner.
The pair of them were in a mutually abusive relationship- he’s got problems caused by his addictions and she’s a nutcase. Unfortunately, unlike JD, she doesn’t have enough social capital to overcome her disadvantages so she loses big time, no matter what the jury decides. Her career is over, his may or may not recover a bit, but he won’t be the force he was.

I think this case is disastrous for DV victims though. It really has reinforced to me the need the public has for "perfect victims" in either party's case.

I wouldn't go to the police over a rape/sexual abuse crime either because the threshold for others to believe you has probably been raised even higher.

I think they are both disturbed in different ways and their relationship was highly toxic and dysfunctional. I also think they should've gone separate ways and address their issues privately, individually in order to rebuild their lives.

Instead, we have a distasteful media circus playing out in numerous courts now. I don't even want to read about either of them ever again, it's just too embarrassing.

I don't find either of them reliable or believable so it's a tough call regarding who might win this, IMO.

But the original trial was done with one judge.
The appeal judges held that lying over the donation wouldn't have changed the outcome and it was the fault of Depps team not to challenge her over that.
But we now know that she lied over more than one thing at the trial. She even gave false evidence to the Sun's lawyers so they lied at the appeal.

That still leaves 8 incidents even if those 2 were dismissed. And his team were denied leave to appeal. His behaviour in even bringing this case at all backs up that he’s an abuser.

Yes. I can't believe I'm watching the same trial as everyone else. He's awful. I've seen enough video evidence - never mind anything else - to see that he's clearly abusive.