Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

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If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

Whatever happens, abused people everywhere will be at further risk as a result of this case.

It is doing irreparable damage to the credibility of victims testimony and will likely dissuade those who were thinking of speaking out from doing it.

There are no winners here.

I don't think so entirely. What people objected to was the outright lies. A truthful victim has no relationship to this case. I have seen the opposite online with people praising Depp for coming forward as a victim and how that opened doors for others.

Amber has just admitted that she wrote the op-Ed about Johnny so I would say that Johnny will win, seeing as this trial was about whether it not she actually wrote it about him.

Without a crystal ball it’s hard to know the effect, if any, on other cases. I can still imagine though that the effect could be positive because this case feels educational. I see AH as the primary abuser and of course I can’t know but I think she probably does have a cluster B personality disorder. I’ve been in a relationship with someone who I’m pretty sure had such a disorder/significant traits and although the dynamic was textbook in many ways (and also relied upon my own characteristics and vulnerabilities which I now understand but didn’t then), no one had ever taught me about it so I couldn’t recognise it. A high profile case exposing this dynamic could be a positive thing. People can recognise it in their own lives if it’s something they’ve experienced.

The crying with no tears was very irritating. I hope Johnny gets justice.

I have done a complete about turn. I have been Team Johnny for so long because I think Amber Heard sounds fairly unpleasant.

However:
a) I believe he did abuse her because our High Court has made findings that he did. I didn’t watch that trial obviously, but the footage from America is not filling me with confidence as to the quality of justice being dispensed on that court. The whole thing is coming across as a farce. I do however have the highest respect for the decision of our high court. You don’t hoodwink a High Court judge easily, and Amber Heard persuaded Nicol J.
b) I agree that he is trying to ruin her. Having dragged all this up in England, he is now making her relive it all again when he has already lost once (albeit against the Sun not Amber, but the same issues at heart)
c) the rank misogyny which means she is getting a much harder time than him with the public. He’s still Mr Popular but her name is now dirt.
d) fundamentally, I don’t like to see anyone torn down and ruined in the way Amber Heard has been, especially if it’s because they’re an abuse victim (which I believe she is) speaking out about abuse.

I just listened to the judge read into record the list of jury instructions. It sounds like she will be reading instructions for an hour! There were dozens. I assume the jury gets a hard copy as well. No way to remember all that.

She gave each side 2 hours for closing starting at 9:00 am. They can use exhibits that have been entered into evidence. They can not use any video'd depositions in their closing. They can not use any written declarations. Only exhibits entered as evidence. Apparently the jury is not given copies of video'd depositions or any written submissions of evidence to use in their deliberations either. (If I understood that correctly). The lawyers seemed a little taken aback to not be allowed to use videos. They are both planning to use powerpoint presentations but she ordered that no text be written on them - only photos and exhibits.

Oh she has had her entire personality ripped apart in a public forum far more than any murder suspect does. And I suspect Depp knows that very well and that has been his aim as much as "clearing his name". Its revenge, on his part, for a woman not being head over heels adoring him at every given moment but for daring to verbally at least stand up to him.

for daring to verbally at least stand up to him.

She "dared" to stand up to him with more than her words. She said so herself.

And so she deserves being torn to shreds and have her life ruined, right? And to not be listened to.

Even though he did the same. And had and always will have the power and money between them. Misogyny is alive and well.

She was listened to for 2.5 years before he took action.

And dismantling lies and no condoning abuse isn't the same as being torn to shreds.

Legally, she should win. The OpEd didn't name him and she can prove he was abusive enough to call herself a survivor on the texts alone. He's manipulative, disgusting individual and anyone who stands with a man who jokes about raping a woman's dead body before burning her should be well away from any adoration. Those texts were sent in 2013 before the alleged abuse began according to Depp. He was talking about her that way when things were GOOD.

His aim is to publicly humiliate her. That's why it was televised. He's an absolute fucking prick and the Deppford wives need to get a grip. I don't think she's innocent but she's the only one paying for this here.

It was the judge who put forward the motion to televise it.

She said the op-ed was about him earlier, I really hope Johnny wins.

I have watched most of the trial and I agree with this.

he should win his case,

she has set back abuse victims years unfortunately

Hopefully Johnny will win.

Win or lose, he has set out to do...clear his name and expose her lies.

She clearly has issues. She has admitted hitting him on tape and witnesses have said she had physical fights with her sister and friends. She didnt seek any medical assistance after being hit repeatedly with him having rings on each other.
Used her 'bruise kit' but doesn't use it when leaving court after clearly alerting paparazzi.
Editing photos. Alerting media...its so clear what shes like.

Barking mad.

The OP-ed didnt name him, shes got another husband then?
Amber admitted in court that the OP-ed wasnt 'just about him'.
She alerted media, has been caught out in multiple lies, she has no credibility.

Slightly off subject but AH and Meghan Markle seem like a perfect BFF pairing. They come across similarly.

The assault was against a paparazzi who he’d asked to leave him and his pregnant partner alone, they didn’t so JD retaliated. You’d have to accuse every celebrity that defended themselves against the paparazzi of being violent if your claiming this makes him a violent person. Is Britney Spears a violent person, she did far worse by taking a baseball bat to the paparazzi…. I’d love to see you or any average person live with that in your face 24/7 and not retaliate.

same with trashing hotel rooms, I don’t agree with it but again I could rattle off dozens of celebrities who have trashed hotel rooms who have been in the media, especially some of our most esteemed music legends. Hotels that rent out these rooms/suites/floors to certain famous guests expect a lot of this, especially historically.

She also admitted he never hit her.

She wasn’t listened to at all, all the pro Johnny depp social media campaigns started as soon as it was reported on and he had plenty of support from public figures too.

I think she'll win because I think she's proven that she's been on the receiving end of abuse, thus able to call herself a domestic abuse survivor.

But I think he was won public opinion and so he should. There marriage was toxic and they both did horrible things to each other. Yet it was her who positioned herself as a survivor, wrote articles about their marriage and, presumably, expected him to roll over and accept it.

I am not a fan of either of them, and believed her for years. But watching this trial live has been eye-opening. She is awful. She set this ball in motion and I am pleased it has backfired. She has been caught in too many lies to have any credibility at all.

She's clearly got issues but he is just repulsive. I can't get over people actually cheering and supporting him.

Yet it was her who positioned herself as a survivor, wrote articles about their marriage and, presumably, expected him to roll over and accept it.
Read the article. It's very banal and says nothing about their marriage. Yes he should have accepted it. Part of getting divorced is your ex talks about their perspective and its not the same as yours.

This exactly

I think JD will win but I think neither of them deserve a penny. One thing highlighted for me and I haven’t missed any of it, is that they are all making way too much money. What does he need all those houses for? Ridiculous. looks like he lost the run of himself with the success of Pirates and meeting AH all led to his addiction spiralling out of control.
I think his addiction worsened with her in his ear all the time, I’d imagine she was handing him that jar of cocaine.

the way people idolise him is ridiculous. He’s not perfect, I don’t think he was physically abusive but he’s not this perfect person everyone is making him out to be.
the nastiness towards AH on SM is out of control, it’s a constant flow on my newsfeed.
It makes me sad, I do think she was the abuser, but I don’t know.. it’s the hate people are spewing towards someone they don’t know, I just think it’s very sad and I feel sorry for her baby actually because she will grow up with that stigma surrounding her mother and I know how that feels to be guilty by association. Hopefully by time she’s older it will all be forgotten.