Page 4 | Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

BeyondPurpleTulips · 26/05/2022 08:36

“The whole thing seems to hang on did he hit her rather than just 'was he abusive' which he obviously was (as was she). I think there's a lot to suggest he didn't”

In his own words “I headbutted you in the fucking forehead, that doesn’t break a nose”

NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 26/05/2022 08:41

tabulahrasa · 25/05/2022 15:09

Who I think will win and what I’d decide if I were on the jury are two different things tbh.

I think he’ll win, because he’s got better lawyers, more money and for some reason loads of public support.

But I’ve watched a fair bit of the trial - mostly unwillingly tbh, but it’s being pushed on every social media platform I’m on.

But, I’m clearly watching a different trial to everyone else as I see a vile man, with a history of violence, drug and alcohol problems - who writes messages in his own blood FFS, it’s not exactly a stretch to believe he hit her.

He’s repeatedly taking her to court, including purposefully picking a state that neither of them have anything to do with just so he could get all that footage of “his side” out.

He had plenty of public support from the industry, he could have literally said it was a volatile relationship, done a quick visit to rehab and it’d have blown over, he’s the one doing damage to his career.

She doesn’t come across particularly well, but, I believe he hit her.

This. I am bamboozled that people think Depp is coming across well. To me he seems like a very entitled guy who has lived in a fug of drink, drugs and enablers for far too long.

User3568975431146 · 26/05/2022 08:45

Experts reckon neither will "win" in terms of financial award but Johnny Depp has won as he has salvaged his reputation and hopefully get his life back. Amber Heard on the other hand......

KosherDill · 26/05/2022 08:52

DarleneSnell · 25/05/2022 15:38

I don't know the technical legal basis on which either party would "win", but I don't think JD is a wife-beater. A druggie/alcoholic oddball, for sure - but from the trial footage I believe him over her.

Let's face it whether he actually beat AH or not, the trial has revealed awful other things about JD, and he's tanked in everyone's estimations. I can't see why he would actively bring such terrible publicity on himself unless he felt that particular allegation was worth defending.

I've watched most of it, and agree with this.

As a juror I'd vote in his favor.

(I say that as one who barely knew of either of them before the trial. Both seem unpleasant.)

KosherDill · 26/05/2022 08:55

Soapboxqueen · 25/05/2022 16:20

I don't think either side will win the court case.

I think JD has won though.

I think she's finished.

The film exec said they had concerns about her that were unrelated to this case. And she's in her late 30s, and not a good actress. She had better get another career lined up asap.

KosherDill · 26/05/2022 08:56

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Agree.

KosherDill · 26/05/2022 08:58

MyneighbourisTotoro · 25/05/2022 17:33

I see a woman who is abusive and likes to goad her partners into a fight, this was a toxic relationship and JD has always been vulnerable and has had difficulties with drink and drugs due to an abusive life growing up and AH also abused the same substances.
In my opinion if he ever did abuse her then it was in retaliation from her relentlessness, it doesn’t excuse the behaviour but she is clearly an awful person who repeatedly took advantage of him.
I say this as someone who has been abused and had to live with someone constantly pushing for fights and degrading me. It’s soul destroying, some people snap, others become a shell of their former self.

This is what i gleaned from watching most of the trial.

LetitiaLeghorn · 26/05/2022 09:06

The film exec said they had concerns about her that were unrelated to this case.

Was this Hamada? I thought he just said there was no chemistry? Did he say what the other problems were?

I hadn't felt much sympathy up til then but at that point when they started to discuss her acting and her popularity, I felt so sorry for her. To have to sit through that in public, having your ability as an actress being questioned and denigrated. I thought she was quite brave the way she held her head up.

Badqueen · 26/05/2022 09:10

A uk judge found he abused her on 12 occasions. He is the one dragging her to court, not the other way round. He got together with a woman half his age, who was starting out in the industry and he was a global superstar - yet she's the one with the power? I don't think so.

Some people can't accept their hero is a bad person. That's why people still listen to Michael Jackson i suppose.

LetitiaLeghorn · 26/05/2022 09:21

Badqueen · 26/05/2022 09:10

A uk judge found he abused her on 12 occasions. He is the one dragging her to court, not the other way round. He got together with a woman half his age, who was starting out in the industry and he was a global superstar - yet she's the one with the power? I don't think so.

Some people can't accept their hero is a bad person. That's why people still listen to Michael Jackson i suppose.

We already know that one of those charges the judge got wrong. The trailer at Hickville.
Another of the charges her sister contradicted her story. So under the balance if probability, that would gave gone too. And we know she lied to the court by saying she'd donated the 7m when she'd not.

I haven't looked through all the other charges but the judge ruled that he believed AH and found Depp guilty because his behaviour followed a pattern (which was defined by AH.). But if the judge knew that some of her allegations were false, as have since been proved in the US trial, there wouldn't have been a pattern and the judge might not have ruled as he did.

Ultimately the judge believed Heard and so did the world and yet Depp knew she was lying. Why should he just shrug and let her get away with it? I wouldn't if someone did that to me.

AdamRyan · 26/05/2022 09:25

We already know that one of those charges the judge got wrong. The trailer at Hickville.

How do we know that? Are you talking about the evidence from the park owner?

Choufleurfromage · 26/05/2022 09:28

Egtermekaar · 25/05/2022 14:49

If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

In what way is this a matter of public interest.

LetitiaLeghorn · 26/05/2022 09:57

AdamRyan · 26/05/2022 09:25

We already know that one of those charges the judge got wrong. The trailer at Hickville.

How do we know that? Are you talking about the evidence from the park owner?

Yes. OMG. Is this another witness that you don't believe?

AdamRyan · 26/05/2022 10:21

I didn't hear anything from him that was inconsistent with what she said. I heard two perspectives.
The trailer was damaged, they were both drunk/on drugs and they had a row were the common themes.
Heard has witnesses saying the trailer was trashed and Depp was jealous of a female friend. Depp admitted he had problems with the woman that nightin the UK trial.

metro.co.uk/2020/07/08/johnny-depp-called-amber-heard-lesbian-camp-counsellor-trashed-trailer-female-friend-touched-12962637/

Depp has one witness saying there was minimal damage to the trailer and Heard was angry with Depp.

So - I don't think Night was lying, I don't think he had the full picture and he didn't prove that "Amber lied". People who think that are falling into confirmation bias.

123ROLO · 26/05/2022 10:29

I've tried to avoid the memes and social media stuff relating to JD it's sickly, soft gentle music playing as he enters the room, him doing an 'endearing' glare at his lawyer, him looking sad and vulnerable while AH is talking. Its very easy to get swayed by that.

JD did get a bit of a rep for being hard work at times, but so did AH, there is a YouTube clip of her 'diva' moments and while I know its biased, she didn't come across well. An employee of theirs also claimed she got in her face and shouted at her once.

JD definitely abused drugs and alcohol, but so did Amber and her sister (who for some reason lived with them).

There are audio clips of Amber mocking him, baiting him, gas lighting and admitting to starting the physical fights.

To me it strongly comes across that they both physically abused each other, but, often sounded as if she was the instigator.

Neither come across well, and it JD was accused of being a domestic abuser it's only fair AH gets that label too.

Thelnebriati · 26/05/2022 10:36

Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

Not women who are victims of DV, thats for sure.

LetitiaLeghorn · 26/05/2022 10:50

At the UK trial, according to Judge Nicols findings, she made 2 allegations.

1 That he sexually assaulted her. We didn't know that then, he heard her evidence in closed court. We know from the US trial that she was alleging that. The uk judge dismissed that allegation.

That he trashed the trailer. The judge found that to be credible as he believed it followed his pattern of behaviour.

Depp “caused significant damage to the trailer ...... the argument and damage to property are symptomatic of Mr Depp’s manner when ‘the monster’ side of his personality was dominant”.

We now know from the trailer owner that the trailer wasn't trashed. There was a $62 dollar light fitting that was broken which he said wasn't uncommon.
So her first allegation of sexual assault was dismissed by the uk judge.
And her second allegation has been proved to be a lie.

ohwhattodo96 · 26/05/2022 10:58

Personally I think she is a liar and was abusive to him, and I really do feel for him. Yes he drank loads and took loads of drugs, but I feel AH used this to her advantage rather than trying to help and support him like a partner would do.

HOWEVER…

I don’t think the whole situation is going to help DV victims in court going forward - I’ve already heard one perpetrator wanting to have their field day in court because they suddenly feel their victim is defaming them - that word sound familiar at all? 🙄 so real life perpetrators will use this case to try and make courts believe their victim is lying

4am · 26/05/2022 10:59

I wonder who will own the film rights once this is over - and who will get to play the acting roles?

AdamRyan · 26/05/2022 11:50

Neither come across well, and it JD was accused of being a domestic abuser it's only fair AH gets that label too.
That just makes no sense. Only one side is being evidenced in court. Do you really think its fair to label someone as guilty of a crime without evidence? I believe "innocent until proven guilty".

123ROLO · 26/05/2022 12:20

AdamRyan · 26/05/2022 11:50

Neither come across well, and it JD was accused of being a domestic abuser it's only fair AH gets that label too.
That just makes no sense. Only one side is being evidenced in court. Do you really think its fair to label someone as guilty of a crime without evidence? I believe "innocent until proven guilty".

There's evidence both ways though, there's clips of her admitting she hit him, and evidence that he hit her

Tillsforthrills · 26/05/2022 12:28

I think they’re both guilty of abuse.

However after seeing his sickly smug face and how him and his lawyers put on a pathetic show for the cameras, how people defend him and are willing to vilify her, I think he’ll win.

DontBlameMe79 · 26/05/2022 12:48

tabulahrasa · 25/05/2022 15:09

Who I think will win and what I’d decide if I were on the jury are two different things tbh.

I think he’ll win, because he’s got better lawyers, more money and for some reason loads of public support.

But I’ve watched a fair bit of the trial - mostly unwillingly tbh, but it’s being pushed on every social media platform I’m on.

But, I’m clearly watching a different trial to everyone else as I see a vile man, with a history of violence, drug and alcohol problems - who writes messages in his own blood FFS, it’s not exactly a stretch to believe he hit her.

He’s repeatedly taking her to court, including purposefully picking a state that neither of them have anything to do with just so he could get all that footage of “his side” out.

He had plenty of public support from the industry, he could have literally said it was a volatile relationship, done a quick visit to rehab and it’d have blown over, he’s the one doing damage to his career.

She doesn’t come across particularly well, but, I believe he hit her.

I understand it’s in Virginia because that’s where the Washington Post is located (publisher of the Op Ed)

Workwork21 · 26/05/2022 13:05

He has already won. His reputation is cleared. I can't see how AH will ever work again in acting.

I don't believe a word AH says, there has been no actual evidence of him abusing her. With her taking photos of trashed rooms and writing on mirrors, she absolutely would have taken photos of injuries. She would have seen medics for her nose.

We've essentially spent 6 weeks confirming JD drinks and does too many drugs. He's also a bit of an asshole but being an arse doesn't make you physically/sexually abusive.

I also absolutely would want to clear my name too, if I were him.

Kazplus2 · 26/05/2022 13:11

I couldn't help notice JD denying he wrote some of those awful texts on his phone. He said he didn't write them but maybe someone else got his phone and wrote them. If AH had said as much on the stand she would have been shot down in flames. He is vile!