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Amber Heard is facing the "most voluminous" social media smear campaign ever

253 replies

CaptSkippy · 24/05/2022 23:11

I just came across this link on Github and I suppose it should not be shocked by this, but the sheer numbers do shock me. It's the number of posts, comments, tweets and accounts that have been used to spread misinformation about Amber Heard. Here is the link:

Amber-HeardDisinformationOperations_Bots

Am I being unreasonable to be shocked by this? Why on Earth is this woman targeted with so much hate? Why are MRA's scope-locked on her in particular?

OP posts:
UpToonGirl · 25/05/2022 11:13

For the people saying she almost destroyed his career, did she? When she filed for divorce she had a bruised face and filed a restraining order, she didn't make any statements about JD. The she wrote an op-ed which insinuated she had been a victim of DV but the piece was mainly around how Hollywood will always protect the male money men, although admittedly it read as JD was abusive. Loads of people came out in support of JD including JKR who said he would keep Fantastic Beasts. I honestly think if he'd left it there it would have blown over.

It wasn't until he sued the Sun that more info came out about him - a lot of shit had already come out about her, probably from JD. Obviously when the court case was happening and lots of info came out about his behaviour it was shocking - we would not have known if he hadn't come after The Sun/AH. When he lost and was proven in a court of law to be abusive THATS when he lost Fantastic Beasts...not from what AH said originally.

I have watched some of the trial and although I'm sure from what I've written I look pro AH. I'm not, I do think she has grossly exaggerated a lot of elements of their time together, I also believe she often was the aggressor. However JD is the one responsible for all the details coming out, he has ruined his own career...and hers now.

MiseryWIthAStent · 25/05/2022 11:16

threecupsofteaminimum · 25/05/2022 10:44

*Someone could very easily say the same about you, and then how would you feel? If you told someone about the abuse and they said:

"I don't believe her, she doesn't look like a victim, she's lying. He's a good man, he wouldn't do that. He might like a drink but he wouldn't hit a woman. I don't believe a word she says".

What makes you as a victim more worthy of sympathy than her as a victim?*

Wow. I'd hate you to be on jury service for a victim of DV.

I think his record of violence and the absolutely state of me might say something. What a foul ignorant, nasty thing to say, hang your head.

Why? Why is what this person said worse than what you said? A victim can act how they want.

Ineedaduvetday · 25/05/2022 11:49

He probably knows it will be difficult to win but that isn't the point. He needs to get hold of the narrative and he is and has.

Badqueen · 25/05/2022 12:07

threecupsofteaminimum · 25/05/2022 10:44

*Someone could very easily say the same about you, and then how would you feel? If you told someone about the abuse and they said:

"I don't believe her, she doesn't look like a victim, she's lying. He's a good man, he wouldn't do that. He might like a drink but he wouldn't hit a woman. I don't believe a word she says".

What makes you as a victim more worthy of sympathy than her as a victim?*

Wow. I'd hate you to be on jury service for a victim of DV.

I think his record of violence and the absolutely state of me might say something. What a foul ignorant, nasty thing to say, hang your head.

I said "how would you feel if someone said that about you". Because you said those things about amber.

Clearly you don't like the idea that someone might doubt you as worthy of victim status, so maybe you should think before you make those comments about other women (amber) and you should hang your head. I've suffered DV too. For that reason i would never judge anyone for not being "the right sort" of victim like you did.

Badqueen · 25/05/2022 12:10

WhatDoIDoNow3 · 25/05/2022 03:59

Because she is a pathological liar who simultaneously abused her ex husband whilst creating a now proven false narrative about her being abused. Non of her evidence has been backed up or justified, her recorded abuse of him is horrendous and SA/DV victims across the globe saw through her narcissistic tendencies and vicious/vindictive behaviours to see her for who she is. AN ABUSER.

None of her evidence has been backed up... Apart from that pesky judge finding that she was abused at least 12 times. But yeah. She's the only bad guy. Depp is an angel.

Kazplus2 · 25/05/2022 12:29

I saw the last 10 mins of the trial yesterday where AHs lawyer was providing details of a number of therapists etc. that the couple attended when wed but who were not permitted by JDs team to take the stand. The details suggested that they were witness to discussions about incidents including those where JD was violent towards AH. I'm not sure how it works but I hope their written testimony reaches the jury.

Allycat1989 · 25/05/2022 13:38

Maybe, but was all the evidence shown in the uk trial? coz from the recordings of her goading him, admitting to assaulting him and not letting him leave i just find it hard to believe, it wouldn't be the first time a court has messed up, ofcourse if he touched her other than reasonable self defence he should be punished but is there evidence?
I wish her no harm by the way

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/05/2022 13:40

I think regardless of which "team " you're on you CANNOT deny how nasty this has become to AH.

But yeah, that's misogyny in action Confused

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/05/2022 13:42

Noname99 · 25/05/2022 00:24

I have no comment to make on the court case. I know nothing about it. i have no interest whatsoever.

But something weird is going on.

I don’t think I’ve ever intentionally watched a film with either of them in. Never googled either of them. I’m a very very sporadic user of fb and not on any other social media but my fb is FLOODED with videos and comments about the court case and they are 100% against her. How is that? These sites work on algorithms that tailor to the user and yet there must be at least 10 everyday. It’s scary.,

This ... Confused

Cliftontherocks · 25/05/2022 13:44

CaptSkippy · 24/05/2022 23:42

No it's not. The opposite is coming out. The misinformation bots are editting and posting out of context snippets that make her look bad, but if you watch the whole thing you can see that he is the one that's full of shit.

This

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 13:44

@Allycat1989 the judge found that there was evidence that he assaulted her on ten occasions.

the judge was not required to make any findings about whether she may have also assaulted him.

it is depressing how little critical thinking skills so many people have and how this is being coupled with outright misogyny (from both women and men).

BobbinHood · 25/05/2022 13:46

Because she is a pathological liar who simultaneously abused her ex husband whilst creating a now proven false narrative about her being abused. Non of her evidence has been backed up or justified, her recorded abuse of him is horrendous and SA/DV victims across the globe saw through her narcissistic tendencies and vicious/vindictive behaviours to see her for who she is. AN ABUSER.

UK libel laws are incredibly tough. And yet he lost his case against the Sun. The court found it was true that he was an abuser. You can go down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole that the judge was in cahoots with the Murdochs or whatever, or you can face up to the reality that perhaps an actor you liked or fancied is an abusive man. Sorry if that’s hard. There is no “now proven” false narrative, in fact the opposite is true because of the Sun case.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/05/2022 13:51

Something I don't get is when posters/people say what awful ramifications there are for women victims of DV everywhere if AH is lying ... what difference does this one individual make to how others cases/victims are handled and treated? She's just one person.

If this ONE CASE sways you to not believe in future then I'd say that's on you not AH

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/05/2022 13:51

MayDaze · 25/05/2022 08:37

I've adored Depp since I was a teen. This is hard to watch because he is not coming across well and the social media cacophony is akin to "burn the witch" and I fear they'll not stop til she's no longer here.

Re Kate Moss. I don't understand the "he never hit me therefore he never hit her" being taken as red.

My aunt was beaten so badly by her first husband in the late 70s that the police wanted to charge him with attempted murder (but he refused to press charges). He went on to marry again and had been happily married for 40 years - his current wife refuses to believe that he was ever violent because he is so gentle and kind, couldn't hurt a fly. Yet he did 40+ years ago.

Thank you - I've seen this argument pedalled out so often on these threads

Bouledeneige · 25/05/2022 13:52

I've watched quite a lot of the live coverage of the trial and she comes across terribly. She is a very bad actor. She has been caught out on plenty of lies and inconsistencies and there are recordings of her saying she hit him, that he shouldn't run away from her during a fight as he ought to be a man and that no one would ever believe him. She pursued him and begged him to come back to her after they split. In my view she chose to promote a lie about him that is a very serious accusation to make against someone, she claimed to be a spokesperson for domestic abuse and to donate all of the money from her divorce settlement to charity (also a complete lie). Many victims of abuse do not believe her and are angry that she has appropriated their trauma. It has unleashed a lot of misogyny and will make it that much harder for genuine victims of abuse to be believed - which is awful.

I am sure she regrets the day she made those accusations in public and via the media. I think he is her victim.

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 13:55

@Bouledeneige and the findings of the uk high court that he physically abused her on ten separate occasions??

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 13:56

depps appeal against the judgement was denied by the appeals court because there was no reasonable prospect of success by the way

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/05/2022 13:56

It has unleashed a lot of misogyny and will make it that much harder for genuine victims of abuse to be believed - which is awful.

I am sure she regrets the day she made those accusations in public and via the media. I think he is her victim.

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There will always be a million excuses to not believe victims and AH is just one.

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 13:57

Appeal court was different judges be the
way

coconuthead · 25/05/2022 14:07

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 03:30

I keep on getting anti amber heard propaganda on my Instagram feed - which I use to look at cute dogs.

I presume it’s Johnny depp paying for an awful lot of social media pr and that then other rich men who hate women going with it.

the comments on this thread show how effective it can be.

so many men and women hate women

my view is that she is clearly a troubled and unpleasant woman. And he is clearly a troubled and unpleasant mature man.

i think they probably were both abusive to the other. But in terms of the power dynamic it is bizarre to me that people don’t think that he had the most power in the relationship.

im also genuinely shocked at how little importance is attached to the uk court finding that he was physically abusive to her on several occasions.

someone above thought that the judge was corrupt. It is vanishingly unlikely that a judge could make a clearly incorrect finding on this.

Personally, I agree with this 100%

Allycat1989 · 25/05/2022 14:12

So anyone who doesn't agree with u is foul, ignorant and nasty and should hang their head??? 😂
Have uk courts never got things wrong???
Maybe there's evidence from the uk trial we haven't seen and would change my mind, I never once said I hate her or wish her harm but the recordings point to her being the abuser, and why am I wrong for saying that if someone falsely accuses someone they should receive the same punishment,
Dealing with daftys is exhausting

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:14

@Allycat1989 have you read the judgement in the uk case?

BabyofMine · 25/05/2022 14:19

But the judgement in the U.K. case was partly based on things that have been shown to be lies. She could potentially face perjury (I’m sure she won’t but it’s a theoretical possibility). So I don’t see how we can base anything on the outcome of that case.

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:24

@BabyofMine jesus wept. Have you read the judgement and the appeals court judgement?

If material findings in that fact have been shown to be a lie then the appeal would have succeeded.

UniBallEye · 25/05/2022 14:26

@BabyofMine I agree with you. The findings of the Judge in the UK trial are strange. He dismissed a lot of evidence that was presented and he based his judgement on what AH presented, most of which we have now seen are lies and fabrications.

He actually says in his summation that Ms Heard has taken the oath and therefore her testimony is to be believed.

Its very strange indeed.

I am in my 50's and a champion of women and I so wanted to believe AH. But I have followed the trial and i hate to say it but i simply don't believe a word that's coming out of her mouth.

She has been caught out in SO many lies and inconsistencies that it is simply impossible to believe her.