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Amber Heard is facing the "most voluminous" social media smear campaign ever

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CaptSkippy · 24/05/2022 23:11

I just came across this link on Github and I suppose it should not be shocked by this, but the sheer numbers do shock me. It's the number of posts, comments, tweets and accounts that have been used to spread misinformation about Amber Heard. Here is the link:

Amber-HeardDisinformationOperations_Bots

Am I being unreasonable to be shocked by this? Why on Earth is this woman targeted with so much hate? Why are MRA's scope-locked on her in particular?

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Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:28

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf

This is a link to the judgement if anyone wants to actually read it

CaptSkippy · 25/05/2022 14:29

I am glad I am not the only one who sees something sinister here.

Initially I didn't want anything to do with this trial at all. I left most social media sites over the years because of this nonsense. Yet, there is almost no getting away from this. I have my browser set up to automatically clean my history every time I close it. Yet I open of Youtube for some cat videos and I can't escape the barage of anti-Heard propaganda videos.

I mean, what did Depp do? Did he buy a Russian bot-farm?

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Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:32

Ms Heard’s description of the days in Australia as akin to a hostage situation was something of a hyperbole. She was not being kept in the house against her will. The house was set back on a long drive, but there were people around. Ms Heard had a mobile phone. She agreed in cross examination that she could have contacted anyone. In the accidentally recorded conversation she spoke of phoning her sister. Ms Heard could have left the house.

xxii) Yet taking all the evidence together, I accept that she was the victim of sustained and multiple assaults by Mr Depp in Australia. It is a sign of the depth of his rage that he admitted scrawling graffiti in blood from his injured finger and then, when that was insufficient, dipping his badly injured finger in paint and continuing to write messages and other things. I accept her evidence of the nature of the assaults he committed against her. They must have been terrifying. I accept that Mr Depp put her in fear of her life.

I think this extract from the judgement is quite helpful. It shows that yes AH was not always credible in what she said. And otherwise in the judgement it acknowledges her own behaviour. But nonetheless the finding was that Depp assaulted her.

The judgement is very enlightening. If anyone actually reads it instead of watching their insta feeds...

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:34

Link to the appeals judgement

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Depp-approved-for-hand-down.pdf

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:35

From the appeals judgement:

Although in one sense the Judge’s conclusion involved him accepting that Ms Heard was a credible witness, it is important to appreciate that he did not proceed by making some overall assessment of her credibility which he then fed into his conclusions on the individual incidents; indeed, as noted above, he found that various submissions made on behalf of Mr Depp challenging her general credibility did not assist him. Rather, in relation to each of the fourteen incidents he relied essentially on the evidence relating specifically to that incident.

BabyofMine · 25/05/2022 14:37

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:28

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf

This is a link to the judgement if anyone wants to actually read it

What, the one that says “I recognise that there were other elements to the divorce settlement as well, but her donation of the $ 7 million to charity is hardly the act one would expect of a gold-digger.”

I honestly can’t take any of it seriously, if what is put forth in that document counts as evidence in the U.K. courts I can only pray I never get falsely accused of anything.

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:39

@BabyofMine - have you read the full judgement? Do you think that the donation was relevant to the findings of assault in the ten specific incidents?

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:42

It was also 11th June 2013 when Mr Depp had a particularly striking exchange of texts with his friend Paul Bettany which included the following (see file 6/119/F697.8):
‘JD: Let’s burn Amber!!!
PB: Having thought it through I don’t think we should burn Amber – she’s delightful company and easy on the eye, plus I’m not sure she’s a witch. We could of course try the English course of action in these predicaments – we do a drowning test. Thoughts?
JD: Let’s drown her before we burn her!!! I will fuck her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she’s dead.
PB: My thoughts entirely! Let’s be CERTAIN before we pronounce her a witch.’

Badqueen · 25/05/2022 14:50

Paul Bettany must rue the day depp decided to bring all this to various courts. Now people can see who he really is too.

BabyofMine · 25/05/2022 14:50

Yes I’ve read it.
How is that exchange of messages proof he physically abused her in any way?
Delightful though they might be, it’s hardly proof is it?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/05/2022 14:50

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:42

It was also 11th June 2013 when Mr Depp had a particularly striking exchange of texts with his friend Paul Bettany which included the following (see file 6/119/F697.8):
‘JD: Let’s burn Amber!!!
PB: Having thought it through I don’t think we should burn Amber – she’s delightful company and easy on the eye, plus I’m not sure she’s a witch. We could of course try the English course of action in these predicaments – we do a drowning test. Thoughts?
JD: Let’s drown her before we burn her!!! I will fuck her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she’s dead.
PB: My thoughts entirely! Let’s be CERTAIN before we pronounce her a witch.’

Glowing character references there Confused

Swayingpalmtrees · 25/05/2022 14:52

Amber Heard is being ripped to shreds by social media and every single woman and girl should know that this is not just some celebrity fight that is irrelevant to their lives, but how things are very likely to play out in the near future in normal life, and it should be illegal.

A trial by social media, the relentless persecution is unacceptable regardless of who is at fault. As someone that works with DV cases all of the time, Amber and her demeanour is not unusual in the least. She has spent every minute of every day recounting what happened to her, no doubt she has had lots of therapy and she seems to have processed a great deal of what has happened to her already.

I found Amber's accounts clear and credible from the beginning. There was distinct tone of truth about being ignored when she was kicked on the plane etc I would say she is telling the truth about him. I believe many of the counter attacks in her case, were in fact self defence.

No doubt Depp has paid for the campaign somewhere along the line, or the incels are out to get her. Either way I wish I did not have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach where this might end for her, and I am so concerned about the negative impact this will have on young women to report domestic violence and to seek support and help.

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:59

@BabyofMine so Amber Heard shouldnt be believed because of she didnt donate the divorce money but Johnny Depps text messages are not relevant to his credibility - are you able to recognise the double standard in that?

if you have genuinely read the judgement - and understood it - then the comments you are making are, well, odd.

The judge's finding were based on the evidence regarding the specific incidents. In two incidents he found that the evidence was not persuasive that there was an assault.

Swayingpalmtrees · 25/05/2022 14:59

How is that exchange of messages proof he physically abused her in any way?
Delightful though they might be, it’s hardly proof is it?

Actually that is not entirely true babyofmine, the texts can certainly show intent.
The contempt and tone of the texts suggests that they were casual about violence, particularly towards Amber Heard and only her, and indeed regardless of the light tone an intent to hurt in some way. It would be considered a joint enterprise of two males, making the woman on her own a vulnerable target. The texts would be taken very seriously here in a trial in court in the UK.

UpToonGirl · 25/05/2022 14:59

@BabyofMine that exchange on it's own doesn't mean anything. Coupled with the other messages about Amber and his ex VP (called her a withered old cunt) and his new and younger Russian girlfriend, now all of those together tell me he is not very respectful towards women. Still doesn't mean he hit anyone but it goes against the current narrative that he is a wonderful guy who just has substance abuse issue because of his mother.

Also a good mate of Marilyn Manson - again on it's own doesn't mean anything but it doesn't scream good character to me.

LetitiaLeghorn · 25/05/2022 15:01

OldWivesTale · 25/05/2022 10:36

I agree. From the bits of the trial that I've actually watched, I am inclined to believe her over him; and I don't particularly like her. I used work as a criminal defence lawyer, I think I'm pretty good at spotting the bullshitters, ive spent enough time listening to them and defending them; if I had to come down one side right now, it would be with her. I think they're both toxic - but her account is more plausible than his. They are both actors but he's doing a better job of acting, in my opinion. The level of vitriol directed at her is just terrifying. And the fawning over him, "ahh look he's so sad.." etc. is just sickening.

If you were a criminal lawyer, and it was proved that one of the parties had lied several times on the stand, would that affect how the rest of their testimony was viewed? I'm interested because I wonder what sways a jury in their deliberations.

Overthewine · 25/05/2022 15:03

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

Swayingpalmtrees · 25/05/2022 15:03

Indeed, and when considering cases like this where witnesses are few and far between (or have been paid off) Good character and creditability becomes vital

BabyofMine · 25/05/2022 15:03

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 14:59

@BabyofMine so Amber Heard shouldnt be believed because of she didnt donate the divorce money but Johnny Depps text messages are not relevant to his credibility - are you able to recognise the double standard in that?

if you have genuinely read the judgement - and understood it - then the comments you are making are, well, odd.

The judge's finding were based on the evidence regarding the specific incidents. In two incidents he found that the evidence was not persuasive that there was an assault.

No, I don’t in fact see double standards as I don’t find distasteful private text messages in any way comparable to committing perjury.

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 15:05

@Overthewine - have you read the judgement I linked to up earlier? It sets out the evidence quite clearly I think. Do you think that the judge (and the appeals judges) was wrong on all ten assaults.

I do not dismiss the possibility at all. But no one yet has actually pointed out what parts of his findings were wrong and what she has said that she been proved to be wrong - which according to you is EVERYTHING (spoiler alert - its not that she didn't donate the divorce money)

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 15:06

@BabyofMine - what evidence do you think that the judge incorrectly relied on that has now been proved to be incorrect regarding the ten assault incidence?

Swayingpalmtrees · 25/05/2022 15:07

I will actually ask every single person on here posting that she is 'mentally unwell' to stop immediately. It is malicious.

The young woman standing before us in court looks composed, can speak clearly and concisely about her experiences and for all intents and purposes looks extremely robust for a person under so much pressure.

The same unfortunately can not be said for Depp, who was unable to even complete his sentences and yet no one is calling him mentally unwell -

So please stop spreading malicious rumours (not unlike what we are seeing elsewhere as part of a smear campaign) about the health of a person you do not even know.

Swayingpalmtrees · 25/05/2022 15:11

I would also add I would be extremely surprised if Depp wins this case, he has to reach an incredibly high bar in proving his case to the Judge. Although I note winning the case is largely irrelevant to him anyway - what he has actually set out to do is completely ruin the life of a young woman because she had the audacity to take him on, and win. It is called revenge.

Cavviesarethebest · 25/05/2022 15:12

Incident 4: the plane journey from Boston to Los Angeles
239. The RAD sets out the Defendants’ case (see paragraph 53) relating to this incident and the RAR sets out the Claimant’s reply (see paragraph 54).
240. Ms Heard gave her account of this incident in her first witness statement paragraphs 65-83. She was not cross-examined about this incident.
241. In about May 2014 the Claimant was making a film in Boston. Ms Heard was making a film called ‘The Adderall Diaries’ in New York. One of the other actors in her film was James Franco. Mr Franco was considerably younger than Mr Depp. Mr Depp said that he could not understand why Ms Heard had agreed to appear in another film with Mr Franco since, when they had been together in a previous film, she had accused Mr Franco of making sexual advances to her. He said that she described said Mr Franco’s behaviour as ‘creepy’ and ‘rapey’. Ms Heard had also expressed the wish to move away from parts which objectified her. Mr Depp thought this was inconsistent with her accepting a part in another film with James Franco. He agreed that Ms Heard might be concerned that he would become jealous of Mr Franco. There is some other evidence that Ms Heard was apprehensive about this. On 10th May 2014 Ms Heard sent an email to her assistant Kate James, asking her to ensure that the Claimant did not see the ‘one- liner’ of her schedule. She was concerned that, if he did, he would see the romantic nature of the scenes she was playing with Mr Franco and the Claimant’s jealousy would be further inflamed.
242. The Claimant chartered a private plane to fly him and Ms Heard to Los Angeles. The flight was on 24th May 2014.

Two days before the plane journey, on 22nd May 2014, Mr Depp had his first consultation with Dr Kipper. As Dr Kipper recorded in his notes (file 4/123/F736),
‘Mr Depp is a 50 year-old male who has had a life-long history of self-medicating behaviours involving multiple substances of abuse. These include alcohol, opiates, benzodiazepines, and stimulants (cocaine).... Impression ... Chronic substance abuse disorder. Plan: ... Maintain current dosing of Roxycodone and Klonopin. Discussed the withdrawal of these two drugs once patient is back in Los Angeles. I would not recommend withdrawal until he completes his current work. ... Psychological counseling after he returns home from Boston and his medications have been properly adjusted.’
The Claimant did not recall whether he was under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs during the plane journey. However, in a text sent on 30th May 2014 to his friend, Paul Bettany, and which he agreed was about this flight, he said (file 6/119/F697.34),
‘I’m gonna properly stop the booze thing, darling ... Drank all night before I picked Amber up to fly to LA this past Sunday ... Ugly, mate ... No food for days ... Powders ... Half a bottle of Whiskey, a thousand red bull and vodkas pills, 2 bottles of Champers on plane and what do you get ... ??? An angry, aggro injun in a fuckin blackout, screaming obscenities and insulting any fuck who gets near... I’m done. I am admittedly too fucked in the head to spray my rage at the one I love. For little reason I’m too old to be that guy But, pills are fine!!!.’
The Claimant agreed that the reference to ‘powders’ in this text referred to cocaine. He agreed that he had been incorrect earlier in his evidence when he said he had not taken cocaine at the time of this flight. He said,
‘I did not remember that flight being such a nightmare.’
He thought the reference to ‘pills’ in his text to Mr Bettany was to Roxies to which he was then addicted. Having been reminded of the text, he accepted that he had consumed alcohol and cocaine both before and on the flight. He denied that he could not remember the flight at all, but, he said, parts of the flight were blacked out, as he had also said to Mr Bettany, and he probably would not have said that had it been untrue. Mr Deuters, who was also on the plane, said of the Claimant that ‘his memory was not solid all the way through’.
Mr Deuters supported the account in the RAR that the Claimant had not during the flight assaulted Ms Heard. He said that the Claimant had never kicked her. The configuration of the seats and tables in the plane would not have allowed him to do so. The Claimant may have playfully moved to tap Ms Heard on her bottom with his shoe, but he was not sure that this connected. He said that the Claimant had been quiet and focussed on his sketching. Eventually the Claimant had gone to the bathroom.
Mr Deuters sent Ms Heard a series of texts beginning at 21.13 on 24th May 2014 which he accepted must have been after Ms Heard had disembarked from the plane. These said (see file 6/119/F697.28),
‘He’s up. In the bathroom. Moving slowly. Will [let] you know when on route and how he is in the car ... He’s in some pain, as you might guess ...’
244.
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248.
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249. Mr Deuters explained that the Claimant had fallen asleep in the bathroom. He was potentially hungover, or it might have been indigestion because of the opiates the Claimant was taking.
250. Then a little later he sent a further series of texts,
‘We’re on our way to [Sweetzer Avenue] ... He’s been sick. We’re gonna get him straight to bed.’
251. The following morning (so 25th May 2014) Mr Depp sent a text to Ms Heard which said (file 6/119/F697.29),
‘Once again, I find myself in a place of shame and regret. Of course I am sorry. I really don’t know why or what happened. But I will never do it again. I want to get better for you. And for me. I must. My illness somehow crept up and grabbed me. I can’t do it again. I can’t live like that again. And I know you can’t either. I must get better. And I will. For us both. I love you. Again I am so sorry. So sorry. I love you and [f]eel so bad for letting you down. Yours.’
252. Mr Depp was asked why he had apologised if he had not behaved badly. He said that he apologised because Ms Heard was unresponsive to him. She would not let go of her beliefs and so he used words which she would find pleasing. He said he spoke of being in a place of shame and regret to take the poison out of her quill and because, in the course of a verbal argument, he might have said ugly words. The illness to which he had referred was to his excessive drinking.
253. He agreed that he and Ms Heard had screamed at each other. Ms Wass played a tape which she submitted had been made on the plane and on which a male could be heard moaning or making animal noises. The Claimant said he was not sure that it was his voice or that the recording had been made on that plane journey. The Defendants applied in the course of the trial for permission to adduce expert evidence on this topic. The application related to other items as well. I shall return to consider that application in the context of Incident 14. It is sufficient to say at this point that I refused the application.
254. The Claimant said that he had instructed Mr Deuters to try to placate Ms Heard which, Mr Deuters said, explained the series of texts he sent to Ms Heard starting at 15.45 on 25th May 2014. These said (see file 6/119/F697.29 The time was 13.19 according to the copy at 7/1/H13)),
‘Hey. He’s up. He’s much better. Clearer. He doesn’t remember much, but we took him thru all that happened. He’s sorry. Very sorry. And just wants to get better. Which allows us to make him follow up on that promise. ... He’s teary. He doesn’t want to be a fuck-up any more – his words. He’s got bad indigestion this morning but otherwise alright. He’s gone back to sleep for a bit.’
255. Then a little later at 17.25 (or 10.25),
‘There feels like a sea change in him this morning. He just spoke about how bad he feels and he wasn’t talking physically ... He’s incredibly apologetic and knows that

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he has done wrong. He wants to get better now. He’s been very explicit about that this morning ... Feel like we’re at a critical juncture.’
256. At 20.47 (or 13.47) Ms Heard texted Mr Deuters,
‘Obviously he has no idea what he did or to the extent that he did it. If someone was truly honest with him about how bad it really was, he’d be appalled. The man johnny is would be humiliated. And definitely wouldn’t say to me that he doesn’t deserve it. I’m sad he doesn’t have a better way to really know the severity of his actions yesterday. Unfortunately for me, I remember in full detail everything that happened.’
257. A few seconds later Mr Deuters responded,
‘He was appalled. When I told him he kicked you, he cried ... It was disgusting. And he knows it.’
258. Again, Mr Deuters said that he was saying to Ms Heard what he thought she wanted to hear. He had done what the Claimant instructed him to do: try to placate Ms Heard.
259. On 27th May 2014 Ms Heard sent a text to Mr Depp in which she declared her love for him. She added, however (see file 6/119/F697.33),
‘I know you have a sickness – I know you’re suffering Johnny. I’d do anything to be able to take that away from you ... if only I could.’
260. In his trial witness statement, Mr Depp exhibited a text which he sent to his sister, Christi, on 27th May 2014 (so three days after the flight). Mr Depp wrote (see file 2/38/D66),
‘No reason for her to speak to anyone, let alone a doctor ... I’m out. I’m done. Her actions have added more drama than necessary and when was I unhealthy, exactly??? When I was not sober for a day??? Hmm ... I guess that’s what people call falling off the wagon ... It’s happened to a lot of my friends. ... Their wives don’t stop calling them.’
Mr Depp’s response to his sister does not sit easily with Dr Kipper’s notes which I have already quoted above and which Mr Depp agreed in evidence must have come from information he provided to Dr Kipper.
261. Mr Deuters had been in touch with Christi (see his text of 25th May 2014 at 16.06 or 20.47). She sent sympathetic texts to Ms Heard.
262. In his trial witness statement Mr Depp also says,
‘I remember the flight from Boston to Los Angeles in detail’.
That, too, does not accord with his evidence in cross-examination when he said that ‘parts of the flight are apparently blacked out’, which is also what Mr Deuters described.
263. Mr Deuters denied that Mr Depp had shouted obscenities at Ms Heard or had assaulted her. At most Mr Depp had playfully tapped her back or bottom.

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264. On 8th June 2014 Mr Depp sent a text to a woman called Patti Smith or Lee which included the following (file 6/119/F697.34),
‘’I’ve been so busy with film here in Boston then back to L.A. for kiddies ... When I was in NYC ... They were brief visits, and fucked and charged by horrific flights with Amber ... I fucked up and drank and got shitty. Was so disappointed in myself ...’
265. My conclusions regarding Incident 4 are as follows:
i) Before and/or during the flight Mr Depp consumed substantial quantities of alcohol. He also took cocaine.
ii) Mr Depp was jealous of Mr Franco who was much younger than Mr Depp and closer to Ms Heard’s age. Mr Depp suspected that Mr Franco and Ms Heard were having an affair. Ms Heard denied that was the case, but whether it was true or not is immaterial. It could not (and Mr Depp did not suggest it could) justify any abuse of Ms Heard or what followed.
iii) As had happened previously when Mr Depp became drunk and high on illegal drugs, he insulted Ms Heard and screamed obscenities at her. In his closing submissions, Mr Sherborne submitted that Mr Depp would not have done this in the presence of Mr Deuters, Mr Jerry Judge (Mr Depp’s head of security) and the flight crew. However, I prefer the evidence of Mr Depp’s text to Mr Bettany in which after recounting what he had consumed he asked rhetorically, ‘What do you get?’ Mr Depp’s answer to that question was,
‘a fuckin’ blackout, screaming obscenities and any fuck who gets near.’
iv) These verbal insults became, in the course of the flight, physical abuse. Whatever the configuration of the furniture on the plane, Mr Depp managed to kick Ms Heard on her back or bottom. This was more than a ‘playful tap’, contrary to what he and Mr Deuters said in their evidence. Mr Sherborne submitted that Mr Deuters (and Mr Judge) would not have allowed that to happen. I do not accept that submission. Their first loyalty was to Mr Depp.
v) At some stage, because of his consumption of alcohol and drugs Mr Depp passed out. I do not accept that he simply chose to sleep in the toilet to get away from Ms Heard. Her account that he passed out is more in keeping with Mr Deuters’ text, after they landed and Ms Heard had disembarked, that Mr Depp could not leave immediately because he was ill.
vi) His consumption of alcohol and drugs was also the reason he was ill when the plane arrived in Los Angeles.
vii) Mr Depp did not, as he said in his trial witness statement, remember the flight in detail. On the contrary, as he agreed in cross-examination, there were times when he blacked out. That also accords with the evidence of Mr Deuters.
viii) It was perhaps because of his patchy memory that he did not recall kicking Ms Heard until he was reminded of this by Mr Deuters. He was then tearful and

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apologetic. I do not accept his and Mr Deuters’ explanation that Mr Deuters’ text communicating this and Mr Depp’s text of apology were an insincere attempt to placate Ms Heard.
ix) I have reached my conclusions regarding this incident without reliance on the tape played by Ms Wass. It was not sufficiently established by the evidence that this was a recording of the same flight.

Menora · 25/05/2022 15:17

People repost stuff for views. It’s a popular topic, thousands are watching a live stream, it’s gathering momentum as we rarely ever get an insight into celeb lives. People make memes to get views and attention about popular and controversial topics. I don’t think it’s a sinister plot as much as it’s a worrying behaviour of the general public who feel the need to make memes to get likes and reshares
I see a lot on tiktok and many are not really opinions they are just parts of the court case they think are ‘juicy’

humans like gossip.