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Part 4 AIBU to keep this discussion on Amber and Jonny going?

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ENoeuf · 22/05/2022 18:39

Just in case we run out on part 3

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LetitiaLeghorn · 25/05/2022 19:06

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 18:45

But she's not done this before Leticia. I think she knows she's done in this case, now the mask is slipping. She's not incredulous, imo, she's now goading him as her case is falling apart.

I mean, no point acting anymore is there!

But we can't know what's in her mind. I think he did abuse her. But even if he hadn't, it's perfectly plausible that she would believe she had been. I can think she would rool her eyes as she hears him speak as if he's the victim and she knows he comes across as likeable. I mean even she has said how nice he was.
But even if she has been acting, this is the worst time to stop. This is when she really needs to get the jury onside.

Rinoachicken · 25/05/2022 19:11

Are they going to let him actually answer anything or just keep talking at him/the judge/anyone who’ll listen??

ObjectionHearsay · 25/05/2022 19:11

OP I'm at a 2 maybe 3. I've gone from no chance of JD winning to, he now has a glimmer. Remember we have a male heavy jury here, I think this may tip it over also.

JD's team have done a exceptional job at discrediting witnesses, they have left themselves with ample time, they have played it smart and calculated.

Elaine looks done, the whole AH team look deflated and done. The jury will pick up on this.

Elaine speaking like she's done 10MDMA pills (because apparently you can survive this) and firing questions out at Dr Curry was bizzare.

ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:16

Interesting scores!
JD is a bit twitchy with this - this guy is doing what Camille did to AH really .
Photos were weird, did he mean it was already an injury from before on the train?
I think JD will win the jury over.
If AH loses i how she was lying because I can't imagine how awful this would be if she's telling the truth.

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vegang · 25/05/2022 19:21

These texts are sounding good are they?

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 19:22

@ENoeuf 1

ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:24

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 19:22

@ENoeuf 1

Interesting, think you are probably a line voice at this point. Even I've moved away from a 1.

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ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:25

Jd is looking shady here. Can't believe how he suggested Rottenborn wrote it up or someone got hold of his phone.

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vegang · 25/05/2022 19:27

ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:25

Jd is looking shady here. Can't believe how he suggested Rottenborn wrote it up or someone got hold of his phone.

Would be better to just admit he sent it than accuse Rotternborn of forging them?

ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:27

Yes!

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TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 19:31

WB have already testified JD had nothing to do with it

BornBlonde · 25/05/2022 19:31

Aspiringmatriarch · 25/05/2022 12:21

Yes I have. It does seem that way. But the evidence his finger wasn't cut off by a glass bottle being thrown contradicts this evidence. It's a shame that audio tape can't be heard by the jury. Why would JD make up how he hurt his finger if it was AH? Maybe he was so out of it he doesn't remember properly. Could she have purposely trapped it in a door or something similar instead?

Does anyone have a link to that audio? I keep hearing that she apologises for hurting him and unless there's something wrong with my hearing (possible), I don't get that from listening. Is there a different audio being referred to, or a clearer one? Because I hear her saying sorry but nothing about hurting him. It's quite indistinct at that point though.
If it's the video I'm thinking of, I question some of the subtitles are in the bits which are hard to make out. They seem a bit 'creative licence' to me. Also if we're talking about the same audio, nobody seems to be suggesting in it that she has taken responsibility for the finger - unless I'm missing something?

I heard it via one of the Umbrella Guys older videos. It was a long audio tape planted in the house that has bits of Amber, the Dr, the nurse etc as they're trying to find the tip of JD's finger

minou123 · 25/05/2022 19:37

Who is Molly in those texts?

ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:39

minou123 · 25/05/2022 19:37

Who is Molly in those texts?

MDMA?

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ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:40

You know he is coming across really pissed off about this. He doesn't do well without the last word. Beginning to edge to a 2 from my 3...

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minou123 · 25/05/2022 19:40

Oh, they didn't allow Stephen Dueters text messages in

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 19:41

AH smirking and looking down her nose is absolutely triggering me now

ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 19:41

minou123 · 25/05/2022 19:40

Oh, they didn't allow Stephen Dueters text messages in

Every time, they get knocked back

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ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 19:41

@TiddyTidTwo did you see her 'cry'

Cantbelieveiusedtowatchthiscrap · 25/05/2022 19:44

I feel sorry for him

blackcatnight · 25/05/2022 19:46

minou123 · 25/05/2022 19:37

Who is Molly in those texts?

Molly is drugs.

The jurors are going to be giggling at this. It doesn’t look good that AH’s lawyers don’t understand the texts.

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 19:49

They just showed Johnny Depps phone number to the world

minou123 · 25/05/2022 19:50

blackcatnight · 25/05/2022 19:46

Molly is drugs.

The jurors are going to be giggling at this. It doesn’t look good that AH’s lawyers don’t understand the texts.

I suspected so. But I'm so out of touch with new celebrities I thought maybe there was someone called Molly

Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 19:51

He gets cocky with this lawyer.

Miscfeminista · 25/05/2022 19:52

I'm quite sure he wasn't talking about Molly when he refered to mackerel stuff after that I want I take caveman bullshit(misogyny 101-comparing women to fish)

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