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Part 4 AIBU to keep this discussion on Amber and Jonny going?

988 replies

ENoeuf · 22/05/2022 18:39

Just in case we run out on part 3

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Legrandsophie · 25/05/2022 17:31

ObjectionHearsay · 25/05/2022 17:18

Indeed it's why people with a history of substance misuse don't bang in 10 MDMA pills in at once.

They might take 2 or 3, feel no effect as it's weaker than they normally buy, then take another 2 or 3 till it hits.

You don't want to bang 10MDMA pills down your gullet to then find out it's the best you've ever had before suffering a cardiac arrest 40mins later.

And even if he knew the strength and they were weaker than he'd had before, he still wouldn't do 10in one go. 5 then 5 maybe at a push.

They were in Australia, new drug dealers possibly. Not a "trusted" source. People with substance misuse operate harm reduction as a failsafe. New gear, go slow.

Exactly. I was at the Love Parade when some guy took 8 or 9 in a row because he wasn’t feeling the hit soon enough. He died on the dance floor and the police busted up the rave. I’ve seen that a fair bit in clubland. People do take ten but they don’t live to tell the tale.

adriftabroad · 25/05/2022 17:32

Agree midlife she is coming across as highly unlikeable. I think Elaine cannot wait for this to be over.

BonnesVacances · 25/05/2022 17:34

Was the problem with filming in Australia to do with the dogs?

Legrandsophie · 25/05/2022 17:35

BonnesVacances · 25/05/2022 17:34

Was the problem with filming in Australia to do with the dogs?

Yes, that is what was implied. And that goes to AH’s impulsivity. She took the dogs and then others had to clean up after her- the staff took the rap and Depp apparently smoothed over the concerns with execs.

StormzyinaTCup · 25/05/2022 17:39

Yes, that is what was implied. And that goes to AH’s impulsivity. She took the dogs and then others had to clean up after her

And the housekeeper quite literally had to clean up after her.😮

IrisVersicolor · 25/05/2022 17:39

ObjectionHearsay · 25/05/2022 16:01

Like I've said, I haven't got a dog in this fight.

I am now nearing the end of this and the testimony. And I think I'm willing to rest my case that both parties are abusive.

I can't tell you who started this circle:

abuse-reactionary violence- reconciliation. And round and round we go.

However on the actual cases, that is monetary damage. I do not believe AH has a proven counter claim of 100million of losses.

But...this is where I am going to get flamed by some.

With regards to the op-ed. I do believe that some defamation has taken place against JD. I believe this because AH has attempted to portray herself as a sole victim, negating all her negative behaviour in the relationship. She has not inferred her abusive behaviour, only that she was ever the victim. This has then cast JD out to be the "sole abuser" "the sole aggressor" when in fact, some of the violence that occured could have been retaliatory, self defence, and also JD has been a victim himself.

I'd award damages to JD but not the full 50million. Circa 5million.

This line doesn’t make sense: She has not inferred her abusive behaviour.

I’d assume you meant implied but that doesn’t work either - do you mean she hasn’t admitted it? If so neither has Depp. His line is that she is the abusive one.

Reactive abuse is common in abusive relationships - insults, lashing out physically - that doesn’t mean therefore that both parties are the abusers. Mutually abusive relationships are actually really rare.

If you cannot say who started the circle then how can you determine damages.

Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 17:45

I don't think I realized how much time is spent talking to the judge in side bars in a trial.

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 17:46

AH came across dreadfully. What's the smirking for? I haven't particularly seen it that much but today she looks like a goady twat.

minou123 · 25/05/2022 17:47

Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 17:45

I don't think I realized how much time is spent talking to the judge in side bars in a trial.

I was an hour behind and fast forwarding through the break and side bars, I've managed to catch up😁

IrisVersicolor · 25/05/2022 17:50

adriftabroad · 25/05/2022 17:32

Agree midlife she is coming across as highly unlikeable. I think Elaine cannot wait for this to be over.

I think they both come across as unlikeable.

I could never understand why women fancied Johnny as he’s so obviously so fucked up. But he’s even more fucked up than I thought.

Miscfeminista · 25/05/2022 17:50

I didn't really notice described coldness to AH from her team: they check on her from time to time and make notes and communicate low key. They just seem more professional and are actually focusing on the case so they don't have too much time for jokes and candy. I think they are keeping it to themselves and agreed on behaving the way they do while inside court room

unctuousunicorns1 · 25/05/2022 17:51

TMZ - a news website? I nearly had to change my Tenalady there.

minou123 · 25/05/2022 17:54

Oh TMZ motion, this should be interesting

jeffgoldblum · 25/05/2022 17:55

Even unpleasant people deserve a fair trial!

unctuousunicorns1 · 25/05/2022 17:55

So do we get Morgie or not? I've lost the plot somewhat.

LetitiaLeghorn · 25/05/2022 17:55

ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 17:26

I blame her team for this in part. I've said before they aren't making her look friendly or pleasant they need much more interaction and smiling and they should have sat the younger woman with her.

There was an interesting video from a youtuber I watch. He's got a boring voice but he's quite interesting. He gets very small views so influences nothing!

He did a video on why people warm to JD and not AH and he showed two clips of them talking about their childhood and leaving school. Now obviously JD is a much better actor. His films are not my cup of tea but I think the industry hold him as being one of the best of the best. And AH...isn't. So that ability to act will also be used to swing emotions. But when JD tells his story, he tells it about his emotions and emotive incidents. It appeals to the heart. When AH tells a story, it's told from the perspective of her achievements and what she did. It's very much appealing to the head. You feel as if JD put something if himself out there for you. AH not so much.

We know what both of them said was true but their ability to connect is different. So if people wonder why others like JD, it might be to do with that, and her team can't really do anything about AHs lack of connection.

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 17:58

Oh wow. TMZ lost their objection. He's going to name the source

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 25/05/2022 17:59

Her team are desperately trying to stop the TMZ witness. Wonder why that could be...

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 17:59

And again Elaine with the microphone!

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 18:00

Ooof. Game changer (or the final nail) after the metadata guy.

unctuousunicorns1 · 25/05/2022 18:05

Can someone please explain the significance of this - is it to verify the claim that AH sold the video of JD having an argument with the cabinets to TMZ?

minou123 · 25/05/2022 18:06

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 17:58

Oh wow. TMZ lost their objection. He's going to name the source

I don't think that's the case.
This part is just about him testifying.

The judge explained that if he is going to name a source and there is an objection, then they will deal with that issue, should it occur.

Boulshired · 25/05/2022 18:07

That Hicksville guy, Depp and now TMZ that the defendants have not prepared for or left time for. Have a feeling TMZ might be a damp squid as I reckon it’s going to be hearsay galore.

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 18:08

TMZ have copyright of the video. Only the owner of the video can gift that. Plus AHs team panicking.

IrisVersicolor · 25/05/2022 18:09

damp squid

😂🦑