Part 4 AIBU to keep this discussion on Amber and Jonny going?

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Just in case we run out on part 3

I don't disagree with you here fully.

At 58 and over 40 years of heavy substance misuse, nobody is walking away from that unscathed, physically or psychologically.

However, I think he will continue with his music, his art, he has a fanbase of millions. He's due to appear in a foreign language film. So whilst he won't be Hollywood A list, he will go on.

AH however, to put bluntly she's fucked. She isn't getting any acting roles by any major studios again. I doubt she can turn her hand to journalism or being an ambassador of anything thanks to this witch hunt. She can't even flog shampoo because of all this. I do worry for her, I seriously do. If this goes as south as I think it's going to go for her, she's got no income, a young baby, a 7milliom donation hanging over her that will haunt her. What is she going to do? I really do hope she has some form of decent support around her.

Thinking about this more maybe they think their time doesn't include cross examining JD rebuttal witnesses?

Maybe they think the judge will allow them time to cross examine, even when they run out of time?

I'm starting to doubt I understand this time thing. The way I understood it was they each have the same amount of time, but once you use all of your time, that's it. Boom. You're done. You can't call anymore witnesses, you can't cross examine witnesses and nor can you object.
But maybe I'm wrong and they know something we all don't. (Which is likely 😂)

AH however, to put bluntly she's fucked. She isn't getting any acting roles by any major studios again. I doubt she can turn her hand to journalism or being an ambassador of anything thanks to this witch hunt. She can't even flog shampoo because of all this. I do worry for her, I seriously do. If this goes as south as I think it's going to go for her, she's got no income, a young baby, a 7milliom donation hanging over her that will haunt her. What is she going to do? I really do hope she has some form of decent support around her.

Marry a rich man? She does seem to be able to attract the rich and famous.

Why does JD need so many lawyers? Some of them seem to sit there doing absolutely nothing. Do you think he meant it to be intimidating? Force by numbers?

Can we read too much into how well he seems ti get on with his lawyers? They seem to genuinely get on. Or is this a brought relationship? Whereas AH seems ti have no relationship with her at all.

If amber team call anymore witnesses then maybe they on running there clock out on purpose. Throughout the case I’ve felt a sense of unease with Heards lawyers even when they have had good moments. We already know that there has been huge problems with her evidence and getting information she needed from Depp. There must be concern for what neumeister has to say. Depps team (apart from Depp) can be very good at getting witnesses on the stand ask the right question and move on. You don’t give one side the last days before closing all to themselves.

From what I've read all they can do when time is up is object, to allow due process. But no cross examination, nothing else. Just sit there watching.

Now as US civil law in such cases dictates that In a civil case, the plaintiff must convince the jury by a “preponderance of the evidence” (i.e., that it is more likely than not) that the defendant is responsible for the harm the plaintiff has suffered.

Who the hell gives the other team 10+ hours to hammer away at the above point 😳

I've no dog in this fight, either way.

But Jesus Christ, I don't think there's a millionaire planning on marrying her any time soon after this. Can't see many swiping right on her tinder profile.

Worst case scenario a abusive partner who cuts fingers off and shots in your bed at best a very traumatized woman who will suffer long term for the abuse she has endured and will need a lot of support to overcome this.

It's a bit like asking do you want to put your hand in to a bag of broken glass or in to a hornet's nest for the majority of men.

@ObjectionHearsay It is concerning because even if she wants to retreat from Hollywood, it will take time and she probably has other expenses unsettled(other than donations, that’s probably last thing to worry about at the moment). She would also need security for some time more. They did mention couple of times that social connections are everything in Hollywood so maybe she will be able to do something behind the scenes or collaborate here and there with her friends in some ways, I doubt she’ll go from Hollywood to broke in an instant. Either way it will be stressfull, I’m honestly not sure if the whole surrogacy thing was a good idea, especially at this point. Obviously I wish her luck, baby is a baby at the end of the day but the timing(and paying someone to carry a baby for you generally, while claiming to be feminist)seems very strange

That’s also a good point. Whenever women deal with abusive men, they became damaged goods and liable property, no one considers you as worthy or interesting much anymore. Similarly for single women with kids, men just assume you have to settle for less and don’t approach because most want to do what they want on their terms, not have consideration towards women’s time and their extra responsibilities(as a woman on the other hand I wouldn’t date a man with kids because he would most likely try to make me do the childcare for him and use it as an excuse to avoid other responsibilities between you)

copied from law crime daily below is the list for Depps rebuttal and amber hears team have left four hours they probably won’t get through them all but still

• Dr. Richard Shaw
• Dr. Kimberly Collins (forensic psychologist)

-Candie Davidson-Goldbronn (Children's Hospital of Los Angeles rep)

-Walter Hamada (Warner Bros. Pictures)
-Richard Marks (entertainment lawyer)

-Mike Spindler (damages expert)

-Doug Bania (social media expert)

-Morgan Night (Hicksville witness)

-Dr. David Kulber (Depp's hand doctor)

-Jennifer Howell (former friend of Whitney Henriquez)
-Kate Moss (Depp's ex-girlfriend)

-Bryan Neumeister (metadata expert)

-Morgan Tremaine

-Lydia Fillip (flight attendant)

-Dr. Shannon Curry (forensic psychologist)

-Johnny Depp (plaintiff)

Kate Moss is going to be one of the most damaging for AH.

Then they have the rebuttal to Whitney, also the flight attendant who's going to say the kick never happened.

Dr Curry is going to hone in on how unstable AH is. The finger Dr is going to go to town on the finger issue.

Then you are about to have someone tear apart all the meta data on her pictures and prove photoshopping, followed by Warner Bros who are going to quash AH counter claim by eventually admitting to "lack of chemistry" the media mogul lawyer is going to say how damaged JD has been financially by all this and how slanderous the accusations are.

Then JD will end it all with a truly believable Oscar performance , and I mean people are going to be "moved" by it. Tears will flow and ebb naturally because the man is an incredible actor, and he will have his final swan dance.

And AH team is just going to sit there silently and watch the house burn down like 3 lemons.

I'd be angry of I were AH right now, really really angry.

And how many witnesses does Amber have left?

I dont think Kate Miss is going to do much damage tbh - she isn't at the height of fame and they have JD in front of them already for any star struck jury members. All she will do is say he never hit her and the stairs is a rumour I guess. And we know people can become abusive especially with the amount of damage he's done to himself with drugs etc since 1998. Elaine just has to ask if he was arrested for criminal damage while with her.

I think they have both lost their cases for substantial damages, Depp can’t win money that Amber hasn’t got anyway. All of the rebuttal is going to do is feed the public with Depps versions of event. Ambers team is going to have to be extremely efficient with effective with 1 to 2 questions cross. It just doesn’t make sense to put yourself in this position

There are witnesses still left on her submitted list but other than I haven’t seen much her rumour or press releases are drowned out.

whilst looking, I didn’t know morgan tremaine was TMZ

I was shocked by the memory test he failed where they gave him three words to remember and five mins later he couldn’t remember any of them. The expert was saying that’s unusual for a man in his 50s. I guess drug use/drinking/addiction rots your brain?

There is a pre trial list of all witnesses for both AH and JD. As I understand it, you have to list everyone you could potentially call, but that doesn't mean you will use everyone on your list.

I won't list everyone on AH list that is on her witness list, but hasn't been called yet because this post would be huge 😁
But the key people (IMO) who she hasn't used yet from her list are:

Adir Abergel - Hairdresser
Julian Ackert - Data forensic expert (was the expert in the UK trial)
Benjamin Wizner - Civil Liberties expert
James Franco - Actor friend (ex boyfriend?)
Elon Musk -Business magnate. Friend (ex boyfriend?)
Tasya Van Ree - Photographer ex wife
Johnny Depp

These people are on her list, but as they only have 4 hours left, the definitely won't call everyone.
There is a lot of speculation if she will call JD as her witness tomorrow.

They may rest thier case tomorrow and not call anymore of thier witnesses. But they may call anyone from their list 🤷‍♀️

there's only a few days left, can they get through all the witnesses in that time?

I also think Depp team is playing mind games in rebuttal and may even be playing chicken with Heards team regarding the cross. If they could get McMillan or Kevin Murphy on the stand with no cross it could be awful for Heard but neither are mentioned in the source leak.

For AH team with 4 hours left, no.

But they don't have to use all thier witnesses on thier list.

JD team also have a huge list of witnesses, they have 15 hours left, so can strategically call more witnesses. But again we don't know how many or who.

Well if her testimony is he never assaulted her whilst high, it will really damage AH claim that he's violent due to drink and drugs. KM can testify that he trashed a hotel room but if she says he never once touched her, the seeds of doubt will be planted in the jury's mind. With only 4 hours left, AH team are running out of time.

It's 24 years ago, I just don't think it holds much weight for me. Elaine needs to make clear the passage of time.

I also don't think the ex bottle lobbing story holds much weight for AH either.

Not for you, but for the jury it might

Johnny and his lawyers looked extremely pleased when Amber slipped up mentioning Kate Moss. I think she could be very damaging indeed but let’s see.