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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Bretonbear · 20/05/2022 15:12

I think you were being unreasonable, yes. And to say that you expected your partner to have a laugh about it with you afterwards makes me think that even more so. Why didn't you just tell her to speak to your partner and leave it at that?

SunnySideDownBriefly · 20/05/2022 15:13

I say 'good for you'. There are too many awful customers out there and, unfortunately, I know some of them personally - I'm shocked at the way they treat professionals and the glee with which they get refunds and money knocked off jobs. Who cares if he gets a reputation that he doesn't take any crap...or his wife doesn't anyway! You need to remind your husband of his instinct on this one - he should never have taken the job on and it has taken a toll on both of you as well as his employees. A lesson to be learned for him that even you were pushed to the edge by these customers. Perhaps admit that it wasn't your finest moment but it's happened now and he's going to have to deal with the awkwardness...he should have stood up to them before you had to.

Unsure33 · 20/05/2022 15:13

purpleboy · 20/05/2022 13:36

Your fine op, she came to your house. You told her your DH wasn't there, she then decided to involve you by continuing the conversation, and trying to get you to resolve it. They are twats and twats need to be called out on their twatty behavior.
Your DH wasn't prepared to deal with he was ignoring it, so you did, but only because she came to your door, you didn't go looking for it.

This!

two wrongs don’t make a right but she should never have turned up on the doorstep .

sounds like they have been a nightmare.

hellrabbitishere · 20/05/2022 15:14

KettrickenSmiled · 20/05/2022 15:02

oh and i hate this crap as well , only on bloody mumsnet does it mean you are labeled a misogynist if you call another woman a screeching harpy or a fishwife 😂 what about all the posts on the relationship boards where a post is about an abusive male partner and the replies can vary along what a prick leave him or hes a cunt , what does it make those women who say those things about men then i wonder ?

But OP isn't an abusive partner, so your 'comparison' doesn't stand up.

Oh! - & the term you are wondering about - when a woman says bigoted things about men who are NOT pricks, abusive, or cunts?
It's "misandry".
HTH

no of course shes not , but all this old nonsense that a woman that calls another woman a bitch or a screeching harpy is an actual misogynist is rubbish , been called many a bitch and many other insults at various times over the years and its never occured to me to label the woman that called me it a misogynist , iv often thought or said insults about other women who i cannot abide as well , but i have a teenage dd , i often comment on the relationship boards , i really hate reading about domestic abuse as i suffered it myself and i will always want to help or advise a woman suffering it , so just because im talking about someone who is vile and call her a bitch when discussing it with my mate does not make me a misogynist i dont think , it seems to be a very overused term on mumsnet and ues i didnt know about misandry ,and thats because when women on mumsnet are labeling men cunts , pricks and lot of other various insults no one says so much as a peep ! which says a lot really

Blossomtoes · 20/05/2022 15:15

Paprikapommes · 20/05/2022 14:39

YAallBU. She crossed a line, you crossed a line and your DH made a mistake by just leaving expensive goods on a windowsill rather than handing directly to the client and making it their responsibility.

You missed this in the OP

My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill.

ilovesooty · 20/05/2022 15:16

CupidStunt22 · 20/05/2022 13:56

When the customer comes to OP's house, she's already involved.

I would have told her to fuck off.

Oh another 'I'd have told her to fuck off' post. Yeah, sure you would.

The woman shouldn't have gone to the OP's house and the OP should have calmly refused to engage with her.

Dygger · 20/05/2022 15:16

whumpthereitis · 20/05/2022 14:36

Never seen anything wrong with having fishwife tendencies if the situation calls for it. In general it gets the ‘fuck off’ point across to cheeky fuckers a lot more swiftly and categorically than politesse does.

It's bizarre, isn't it? I'm RP and articulate (some clues, surely, in my OP) and yet the moment I raise my voice to say a firm no, I'm a fishwife — and I didn't even swear. I don't swear. I don't actually shout or explode, either. I'm someone who rarely gets angry. I wrote my OP with adrenalin coursing through my system and it felt as if I'd exploded at her, and yelled at her, because I'm normally the very calm one who sucks it up. Now, having calmed down, I'm pretty sure that I just raised my voice firmly. But in the moment I wrote 'exploded' and 'shouted' and so I'll take what comes as a result of that. Mental note: never post with one's heart pounding.

Interested in the class assumptions that seem to be slipping out. Lots of posts to catch up on and so I'm reading fast and perhaps misinterpreting, but what with the accusations of being a fishwife and the mentions of council housing (nothing wrong with either council houses or fishwives) there do seem to be some old stereotypes in play.

OP posts:
minipie · 20/05/2022 15:17

ooh

I haven’t read the whole thread but I can absolutely sympathise OP. But YABU nonetheless.

DH had a nightmare client for many months, and every time the phone rang in the evening or at the weekend or in the middle of a meal I was tempted to answer and give him the truth with bells on.

I didn’t because it wasn’t my battle and I’m not the person best placed to judge the damage it would do to DH’s career.

I think this client had overstepped massively by coming to your home. On the other hand I do think you overstepped even more by shouting at your DH’s client and basically giving away all the complaints he had made privately to you. What you should have done is said DH isn’t here and shut the door.

Imagine if you complained about your own boss or kids or family member to your DH, and then he repeated all that back to the boss/kids/family member?

People need to be able to vent to their spouse without worrying it’ll get back to the person being vented about, especially in a work context.

Vallmo47 · 20/05/2022 15:17

Personally I wouldn’t have lowered myself to the clients standards. I think it was up to your husband to have that discussion. I wouldn’t be happy if my husband had done this. Sounds like you are firm in your belief that you’re in h the right though so this thread was purely for you to off load I suppose.

Googlecanthelpme · 20/05/2022 15:19

Sounds like you gave her some home truths and if they are ignorant and insufferable as you have described then it probably won’t have affected her anyway. She’ll be far too self righteous and egotistical to have her pride dented by a low level telling off.

Its not ideal to lose our temper and rant and rave but sometimes it happens and well sometimes its fucking deserved.

She came to YOUR house and rather than leaving when she found out he wasn’t there, she laid the issue at your feet. So you basically told her to fuck off.
I don’t think you’re wrong OP. Sucks to be her and your DH friend owes a massive apology.

Youaremysunshine14 · 20/05/2022 15:21

I don't think YABU in the slightest. She came to your home to have a go at your husband then dragged you into it by saying she needed to come to an agreement with him and accusing him again of being at fault for losing the component. I would've vented similarly, because she crossed the line, not you. I can see why your DH has reached the sod-it-I'll-just-pay-up stage, but he really shouldn't.

RedHelenB · 20/05/2022 15:21

Yabu to get involved and yell at her like that. You should have left him to deal with it. If you didn't want to listen to him going on about the project, you should have told him that at the time.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 15:21

I wonder if her husband is already being rubbed about this by friends in the business or if that’s still to come, and how long before the clients get back in touch to ask what the OP thinks she’s doing putting their disagreement up online.

Given the post above about her own accent I’m now picturing Hyacinth Bucket.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 15:24

Dygger · 20/05/2022 15:16

It's bizarre, isn't it? I'm RP and articulate (some clues, surely, in my OP) and yet the moment I raise my voice to say a firm no, I'm a fishwife — and I didn't even swear. I don't swear. I don't actually shout or explode, either. I'm someone who rarely gets angry. I wrote my OP with adrenalin coursing through my system and it felt as if I'd exploded at her, and yelled at her, because I'm normally the very calm one who sucks it up. Now, having calmed down, I'm pretty sure that I just raised my voice firmly. But in the moment I wrote 'exploded' and 'shouted' and so I'll take what comes as a result of that. Mental note: never post with one's heart pounding.

Interested in the class assumptions that seem to be slipping out. Lots of posts to catch up on and so I'm reading fast and perhaps misinterpreting, but what with the accusations of being a fishwife and the mentions of council housing (nothing wrong with either council houses or fishwives) there do seem to be some old stereotypes in play.

You seem to be (deliberately?) misunderstanding what people are writing.

The phrase I dredged up from my school days was not, in general, used to refer to people who lived in council housing; it was about ostensibly middle-class people acting like the stereotype of the worse families from the council estate.

Buying an expensive dress, wearing it, and taking it back for a refund was “a bit council”, for example, while being on free school meals was not.

Tamzo85 · 20/05/2022 15:26

YABU. It’s not your place to go shouting at his clients, but rather to lend an ear for support. How do you think you shouting reflects on him as a businessman if it gets around?

Maybe these clients were unreasonable but how could you possibly think someone’s wife coming out and shouting her husbands private thoughts about his clients in their faces is a good look? Do you think that will help him businesses wise?

HopeIsNotAStrategy · 20/05/2022 15:27

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 20/05/2022 13:39

I disagree. If OP had gone round their house or even just bumped into her in the street, but this woman chose to bring her grievances to the DH's home, and persisted in badgering a family member who had absolutely nothing to do with the build. Her behaviour was completely inappropriate and it sounds like she would benefit massively from being told to fuck off once in a while.

I think on balance I agree with this. She started it with you and at your home.

Your DP is of course being unreasonable, and he will say so when he calms down, I'm sure.

Tara336 · 20/05/2022 15:28

I can completely sympathise with you I work in DH business and some of the crap he takes is unbelievable. Ours is a Ltd company with premises (we don't work from home) yet I have had someone think its acceptable to turn up at our home when I was alone and rant about something (that wasn't actually to do with us but a developer he bought his home from) that is completely unacceptable! We do get a 6th sense about clients and if they look as if they are going to be difficult or demanding we will try to price ourselves out of the job. It really is a shame that businesses can't leave reviews about clients as a.warning to others.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:28

i wonder if the OP is going to wave this thread under partner’s nose tonight and yell at him “you see, quite a few mumsnetters don’t think I was unreasonable”.

Her partner being the one who is the business owner and the person who has actually endured this person for months who managed to keep his shit together and is pissed with the OP.

I am sure he will see the error of his ways 😂

until of course HE has to continue to deal with the client doesn’t he, not the OP

NickyChavan · 20/05/2022 15:28

On a side note i speak from experience as someone who also loses it from time to time so not saying we don't all do these things.

ilovesooty · 20/05/2022 15:28

DolphinaPD · 20/05/2022 14:39

You did better than me. I'd probably have smacked her one for coming to my doorstep with this shit. I would not be laying out another 700 either. AND I'd give them bad reviews everywhere possible, like checkatrade etc.

smacked her one? Really?

Dygger · 20/05/2022 15:29

SunnySideDownBriefly · 20/05/2022 15:13

I say 'good for you'. There are too many awful customers out there and, unfortunately, I know some of them personally - I'm shocked at the way they treat professionals and the glee with which they get refunds and money knocked off jobs. Who cares if he gets a reputation that he doesn't take any crap...or his wife doesn't anyway! You need to remind your husband of his instinct on this one - he should never have taken the job on and it has taken a toll on both of you as well as his employees. A lesson to be learned for him that even you were pushed to the edge by these customers. Perhaps admit that it wasn't your finest moment but it's happened now and he's going to have to deal with the awkwardness...he should have stood up to them before you had to.

Thank you, Sunny. I've been really taken aback by some of the assumptions made here about people in the trades. Some of my partner's electricians (he employs more than 30 people) are earning £450+ a day and could work 7 days a week if they wanted to. I can't believe the way some clients treat them. They're dependent on their knowledge and skills but they treat them like servants. It's the reason so many good people go into the commercial or professional sector — to avoid domestic customers.

OP posts:
MzHz · 20/05/2022 15:29

She massively overstepped by turning up at your house @Dygger

your h couldn’t have said anything to her, because she’s his client, but she’s not yours and she’s invaded your privacy by turning up to confront you/him in your own home. He was clear with her and in writing, she had no business bringing this to your home. None whatsoever

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:31

Nice rework of your OP there

now you merely raised your voice?

in your op you “exploded” and “heard yourself yelling”

MzHz · 20/05/2022 15:32

And yeah I agree, in my experience once you get The Vibes™️ about a job/project/client, you should listen to your instincts and say a hard hell no to it.

mumofone1980 · 20/05/2022 15:32

Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

My husband would be fuming if I got involved like that I wont lie