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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
LakieLady · 20/05/2022 15:33

Your reaction wasn't ideal OP, but entirely understandable. The woman had no business trying to get you sucked into this.

If I'd been in your shoes, the best she could have hoped for would be "You'll need to take this up with my husband, I'm not involved in his work".

Possibly followed by "Now, fuck off to the far side of fuck", etc (delivered in perfect RP English and with a slightly plummy voice, negating any suggestion of fishwifery or chaviness).

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 20/05/2022 15:33

DH works in construction. Part of the job is recognising the clients who are going to be a nightmare and then either turning them down or managing that nightmare.

What isn't part of the job, is your wife exploding at them on the doorstep. Don't think for a minute that story won't get round. It will. And although others may laugh and joke that they'd love to do that to a client - they wouldn't do it. Your DH has now become the company whose wife explodes at clients. He may have a good reputation. But so will others and they won't have that little anecdote added on.

You've added to your DH's stress - not lessened it. You've not improved the reputation of his business. Maybe you think it was worth it to 'say your truth' Hmm but I doubt he does. You're obviously struggling to manage how and what he offloads to you. I understand it can be frustrating. Or you're struggling with something else and inadvertently took it out on his client. It might be worth finding better coping mechanisms, whichever it is.

PeskyRooks · 20/05/2022 15:33

Yanbu! My DH is in a similar line of work and has been in situations like this.
Fair play to you.
And fishwife? Ffs really??* *

Stravaig · 20/05/2022 15:35

octagonspoon · 20/05/2022 15:07

Lord, there are posters here trying to pretend ‘screeching harpy’ and ‘fishwife’ are not misogynistic. Clue 1: they are only used against women. Clue 2: They are used again women who are asserting themselves or being angry. Men doing this are called ‘assertive’ or ‘dominant’ or, at worst, ‘aggressive’ none of which have the contemptuous ridiculing of ‘screeching harpy’ or ‘fishwife’. That is reserved for women’s anger only. Clue 3: screeching harpy is used when the woman in question has not screeched.

HTH.

^^ All this, and also let's apply a bit of imagination.

Any wee fishing village, at any time in history:

The boats are just in. The gulls are circling, diving, screeching, waiting for their scraps.

The women have gathered, to greet their men, to gut the catch, to mend the nets.

The women are chatting, laughing, singing. One woman calls to a friend, or shoves off a man, or has an argument. She raises her voice to be heard above the screeching of the gulls. Voilà! The 'screeching fishwife' is born, so named by the man she rebuffed, as he spitefully whinges to his mates down the pub that night.

I'm from a long line of herring lassies myself. Sharp tongues and sharp knives.

TeaFagsandGin · 20/05/2022 15:35

grapewines · 20/05/2022 13:32

You had no business getting involved like that.

I think you were just at the end of your tether. Having a shouting match never solves anything, but you were dragged into this. In an ideal world you would have been able to calmly tell the client's wife to sling her hook as she had no business turning up at your door, but also your DP needs to realise there's a limit as to how much he can offload. I don't think you've destroyed his reputation as the building game can get pretty lively. I suspect he's mainly annoyed with himself for going against his better judgement in the first place.

What's done is done. For the future you both have to accept that if he dumps his grief onto you, he doesn't get to moan when you try to protect him. IMHO, that is.

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 15:36

LakieLady · 20/05/2022 15:33

Your reaction wasn't ideal OP, but entirely understandable. The woman had no business trying to get you sucked into this.

If I'd been in your shoes, the best she could have hoped for would be "You'll need to take this up with my husband, I'm not involved in his work".

Possibly followed by "Now, fuck off to the far side of fuck", etc (delivered in perfect RP English and with a slightly plummy voice, negating any suggestion of fishwifery or chaviness).

It takes more than a "slightly plummy voice" to negate chavness.

dworky · 20/05/2022 15:40

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 20/05/2022 14:27

How embarrassing- you sound like a gobby fishwife. Sort of like Peggy Mitchell on steroids.

While you're a saintly misogynist snob.

SpidersAreShitheads · 20/05/2022 15:41

Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:41

As his partner, you are there to for him to sound off at, hear his woes and offer advise, you are not there to act on your own impulses regarding his work

Did you just fly in from the early 19th-century or something? I think even Jane Austen might have something to say about that.

In fairness OP, I think you're a long way off base with accusations of misogyny here. I think it's the role of both partners to be there for the other one, and to act as a sounding board when needed.

I'm self employed with a good professional reputation but I'd be utterly mortified if my DP got himself involved in my business, even if I'd sounded off at him. Being self employed is a sodding nightmare. I'm not in the construction industry but I can only imagine the amount of shit that builders have to deal with. Luckily your dh doesn't have these types of gigs too often, as I imagine they're super stressful.

The woman should not have rocked up on your doorstep and then gone on at you when you said your DH was out. She's completely out of order. According to your OP you "exploded" and were "yelling" - that isn't a firm, assertive rebuttal that you've described in some of your comments.

Were you unreasonable to lose your shit at stand yelling on your doorstep at an annoying client? Yes.

But do I understand why you lost your cool? Also yes.

In retrospect I'm sure you agree you could have handled the annoying client better. You're clearly not daft. You know a "yelling" match isn't ideal, or the best way to handle things. It's also not your position to get involved in your DH's business, even if a client tries to suck you into the conversation. A firm "you need to talk to him" and shut the door should have been your response. But look, you know this really. You're just angry because she has been a complete arse and lots of frustration has come spilling out. I don't blame you in the slightest, but yes, of course you could have handled this much better.

And also FWIW, in your shoes I'd be steaming mad at my DH too if he suggested giving in to someone who's caused so much stress.

Hopefully they'll find the missing parts and have to come crawling back. And at least the job is over too. Next time remind your DH to trust his instincts on what gigs to take, especially as he can take his pick.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 20/05/2022 15:42

Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:41

As his partner, you are there to for him to sound off at, hear his woes and offer advise, you are not there to act on your own impulses regarding his work

Did you just fly in from the early 19th-century or something? I think even Jane Austen might have something to say about that.

There’s nothing ‘19th Century’ about supporting your partner rather than interfering with his business. Would you be happy if he stormed into your office and tore a strip off your boss?

Dygger · 20/05/2022 15:43

Tara336 · 20/05/2022 15:28

I can completely sympathise with you I work in DH business and some of the crap he takes is unbelievable. Ours is a Ltd company with premises (we don't work from home) yet I have had someone think its acceptable to turn up at our home when I was alone and rant about something (that wasn't actually to do with us but a developer he bought his home from) that is completely unacceptable! We do get a 6th sense about clients and if they look as if they are going to be difficult or demanding we will try to price ourselves out of the job. It really is a shame that businesses can't leave reviews about clients as a.warning to others.

Thanks, Tara. Yes, some people behave unbelievably badly towards anyone providing them with a service. My partner has been very good over the years at sniffing out the PITAs and overpricing and now specialises, as I said on my OP, in professionally-project managed new builds. Like yours, his business is office-based away from home. This woman and her husband were introduced as clients by one of OH's friends who vouched for them, as it were. OH didn't get a good vibe when he went to see the property and met them before tendering. He put in a reasonable quote (didn't want his friend thinking he was trying to overprice his way out of it) and the clients told him they'd found someone better at 75% of his price. If only it had all finished there, the last year would have been much more pleasant.

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Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:44

because I'm normally the very calm one who sucks it up.

😂

angry on this thread, angry at your partner, angry at this woman

lot of anger there!

Janetslunchcake · 20/05/2022 15:44

She made it your business when she was told your husband wasn't home and carried on talking to you about the situation. I think you did the right thing. Too many times cheeky bastards get away with this sort of behaviour if you are working for them because you just want the job to be over and to get paid. Plus you are worried they could bad mouth you to all and sundry about the work.

It is good that your Dh has many years in the business and this will not affect him. She did deserve to be told that she had been a nightmare client.

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 15:45

“Would you be happy if he stormed into your office and tore a strip off your boss?”

Not remotely the same situation.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:45

Why has your partner fallen out with his friend who suggested he get involved in the project?

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:46

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 15:45

“Would you be happy if he stormed into your office and tore a strip off your boss?”

Not remotely the same situation.

No worse than the boss

a client of the boss

oakleaffy · 20/05/2022 15:47

@Dygger
Having a family member in this line of work, I do really understand how clients without good project management skills can cause strife and division between trades on site.

If other trades have “ Walked off site” take that as a huge red flag.

Family member was incredibly polite with difficult clients, who were incredibly rude and insulting at times.
If one is project manager, ideally one needs a working knowledge of building.

I’d not be surprised if the missing components turn up on site.

It probably wasn’t the best idea to have shouted at the woman, but I understand how you would have felt like doing it, as you’d have been listening to the hassles they were causing on the job.

Difficult clients are in every sphere of work, unfortunately.
Lovely clients are a joy to work with.

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 15:48

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:46

No worse than the boss

a client of the boss

The client came to their private residence, OP didn’t just storm into an office.

Flowerpot28 · 20/05/2022 15:49

Sorry but the majority of comments are absolute bull
OP did not “get involved with client” client got HER involved my showing up at her home and then discussing it with her. She was caught of guard as expected and pissed off with the whole situation and I don’t think her reaction was unreasonable !

Dygger · 20/05/2022 15:49

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 20/05/2022 15:42

There’s nothing ‘19th Century’ about supporting your partner rather than interfering with his business. Would you be happy if he stormed into your office and tore a strip off your boss?

What a strange analogy. I was at home. She's not his boss. But actually, if I did have a boss who was bullying and tormenting me so badly that I was losing sleep and was constantly stressed, I might appreciate him going into the office and making it clear this wasn't acceptable.

And no, when I entered this relationship back in 1999 it wasn't to be a helpmeet and hear his woes and offer advice about his business. He's a big boy, he should be capable of containing his stress rather than passing it to me to manage, which I realise is what I've been doing. I run my own entirely separate and unrelated business in a different sphere and I keep any worries about work and employment to myself.

The people who say I have a partner problem are right and need to be worked on.

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SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 15:50

Flowerpot28 · 20/05/2022 15:49

Sorry but the majority of comments are absolute bull
OP did not “get involved with client” client got HER involved my showing up at her home and then discussing it with her. She was caught of guard as expected and pissed off with the whole situation and I don’t think her reaction was unreasonable !

The only person whose opinion really matters here, her husband, doesn’t seem to agree with you, and it sounds as though he can expect a roasting too.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:53

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 15:48

The client came to their private residence, OP didn’t just storm into an office.

it is the partner’s home
Presumably he works there?

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 20/05/2022 15:53

Thing is, the client made it the OP's business by turning up at her home and insisting the OP did something about it. It'd be like me demanding a refund from McDonalds because the cashier at M&S looked at me funny. Did OP handle it brilliantly? No, of course not. But I think it is understandable that she lost her rag.

And @SlightlyGeordieJohn Do please enlighten us on your qualifying rules as to what constitutes being 'a bit council'. Because it is so sneeringly offensive - and I am absolutely fed up with the attitude that living on a council estate is the worst thing to happen to anyone. You keep saying it without actually explaining what you think of people like me & my DC.

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 15:53

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:53

it is the partner’s home
Presumably he works there?

OP has said he has separate business premises.

Staffy1 · 20/05/2022 15:53

She shouldn’t have gone to your house but might have felt there was no choice if he refuses to communicate with them by phone or email.

FrankLampardsBrokenHand · 20/05/2022 15:53

You're being massively unreasonable. You've no place whatsoever getting involved in his business, much less so acting so unprofessionally.

I rant about work to my husband, but it wouldn't give him a right to have a go at my boss.