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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Asperia · 20/05/2022 14:44

I think you were spot on! Probably best not to make a habit of it with clients but these sound a nightmare.

whumpthereitis · 20/05/2022 14:45

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 14:42

All you Pom Pom wavers cheering op on may need to remember that her dh, whose business and reputation it is, is annoyed at her interference and wondering why the hell he told her anything in the first place 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think most replies have been fairly nuanced. You can think it was handled badly whilst also fully understanding why OP did it.

WindyKnickers · 20/05/2022 14:45

Completely unreasonable. He will get a reputation as someone who's wife is a screeching harpy who can't control herself and interferes in business arrangements. I get that she came to your house but you did not need to engage with her. If your partner can't manage his own client and it interferes in your home life you need to address this with him. Not undermine his reputation like this.

theobligatorynamechange · 20/05/2022 14:46

@Dygger By any chance, does your husband use your home as his trading address and/or Registered Office address?

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 20/05/2022 14:46

It is unreasonable but I'd have done it too.

ThreeRingCircus · 20/05/2022 14:46

She was massively out of order but you should have said "I'm sorry, he's not here. I'll ask him to call you when he's available but this is not his place of work so please do not come to my home to discuss it."

Yeah, this to be honest. I can understand why you reacted in the way you did but I can also totally understand why your partner would be pissed off you shouted at her. Sounds like you've made an already difficult situation more stressful.

NumberTheory · 20/05/2022 14:46

Why would he thank you for changing the way he is handling the client?

If he’d thought ranting at them was the way to go he could have done that himself, he didn’t. He was professional with them because that’s how he wants to run his business.

I think he should be apologising to you because his clients have come to the house and had a go at you. That’s not right. And if you’ve ever expressed a dislike of his going on about this nightmare client to you then he should have curbed that and found another way to vent.

But virtually no one wants someone to squander the high ground they’ve been tightly holding to. And that’s what you did.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 14:46

Maëlys · 20/05/2022 14:38

Five pages in and I've seen the phrase "fishwife" three times. Misogyny is alive and well!

@TeaStory Not so much misogyny as class snobbery. Fishwife is basically code for chav on here.

What word would you prefer to describe it then? Or are you saying that no-one should be allowed to express a negative view of this sort of thing?

As I mentioned above, the phrase that would have been used when I was at school was that the OP was being “a bit council”, something that developed after the local authority transplanted all of the worst families from the next town over into what was formerly a lovely local council
estate.

Nanny0gg · 20/05/2022 14:47

BlancmanegeBunny · 20/05/2022 13:35

I understand why you did it, you have been taking the heat from your DH and this tipped you over the edge.........BUT it wasn't your place to say anything to her, she is his client.

Then she shouldn't have turned up at his home and shouldn't have involved his wife in a business dispute.

Gazelda · 20/05/2022 14:47

They sound a nightmare. He must be so glad the job is (almost) finished. As must you. No one deserves to be treated the way he has been. No one has the right to behave they way they have.

However, you were unreasonable in your response. Presumably your home is his business's registered address? So she was visiting a business premise to resolve a customer service issue. She was out of line in the way she persisted. But you were out of line for getting involved in another persons business dispute.

I'd be very angry if my DH did what you did. It be telling him he has no right to row with my client. How dare he say things that I had decided to handle in a different way? How could he risk my professional reputation? Why did he think it ok to speak on my behalf?

I hope you apologise to him OP. And that he accepts it was a response to the tension built up over the last year. And that you both put it behind you and enjoy the weekend.

octagonspoon · 20/05/2022 14:48

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 20/05/2022 13:39

I disagree. If OP had gone round their house or even just bumped into her in the street, but this woman chose to bring her grievances to the DH's home, and persisted in badgering a family member who had absolutely nothing to do with the build. Her behaviour was completely inappropriate and it sounds like she would benefit massively from being told to fuck off once in a while.

Think I agree with this!

hellrabbitishere · 20/05/2022 14:48

i dont think you were unreasonable , iv got a right temper on me and i reckon id have done the same , at the end of the day they sound absolute nightmares and they have bloody lost the stuff and need to replace it

they are desperate now which is why the wife has turned up on your doorstep and started . being as she was there to have a row and wasnt going to quietly and accept your oh its a bit hard to keep cool when someone just wont accept it and fuck off .

it sounds like your partner is ground down by it all and is worried about implications for the business hence he just wants to take the easy route of paying for the parts all over again himself , personally if i was drowning in work as you say he is then id be telling them to pay up or it wasnt getting done ,but then im not him

my dad before he retired ran his own business in decorating , plumbing and building with his partner and 2 others and he used to sometimes get the difficult ones where they changed their minds a lot , but he never dealt with anything like the scale of this , it sounds like they want this massive job doing but are tight for money to pay for what they want hence the constant questioning of bills

its too late now , but it might have been better if he had bowed out and suggested to them to find someone else to do the job early on when they first started querying everything and it was obvious it was going to be a shitshow

kimfox · 20/05/2022 14:49

Lots of people saying YABU, but she came round to your house so it's not like you phoned the client to give them a piece of your mind. I'd be bloody pissed off with what you have described too and I can't believe your husband didn't ditch the job ages ago, they sound like a nightmare. Hats off to him though.

Anyway, back to reality.. you probably were wrong to lose it at this woman, and shouldn't have shouted at her. But I totally understand why you did. My DH is always moaning about difficult work situations / colleagues but obviously has to remain professional and diplomatic, even though they are causing him all sorts of stress and extra work. I would sometimes dearly love to have the opportunity to say what I think... so I steer clear at all costs!!

It's very frustrating when things like this do actually have an impact on your life but it's not your job, so there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. I imagine your DP didn't find it funny because he's been trying to manage this really stressful situation for months without losing it. I can see both sides.

May this shit show be over soon for all your sakes - I can see why he just wants to cough up for the missing parts to bring it to a close.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 20/05/2022 14:50

Nanny0gg · 20/05/2022 14:47

Then she shouldn't have turned up at his home and shouldn't have involved his wife in a business dispute.

Nobody is saying the client didn't behave badly, but that doesn't mean OP had to respond in the same way!

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 14:50

Nanny0gg · 20/05/2022 14:47

Then she shouldn't have turned up at his home and shouldn't have involved his wife in a business dispute.

If only there was some kind of pithy phrase that captured the idea that it’s not necessarily the right thing to have the wrong reaction to someone else doing the wrong thing, and that it doesn’t ameliorate, correct or offset the first wrong thing.

It seems as though that would be a good fit here.

OvOvO · 20/05/2022 14:50

To all you delightful people on here calling the OP a cow, fish wife and "a bit council" your posts have been reported.

octagonspoon · 20/05/2022 14:51

WindyKnickers · 20/05/2022 14:45

Completely unreasonable. He will get a reputation as someone who's wife is a screeching harpy who can't control herself and interferes in business arrangements. I get that she came to your house but you did not need to engage with her. If your partner can't manage his own client and it interferes in your home life you need to address this with him. Not undermine his reputation like this.

Well he’ll only get that reputation amongst rank misogynists. For they are the only people who use terms like ‘screeching harpy’.

Testina · 20/05/2022 14:51

Bloody hell.

So your response to your partner not saying thank for your lack of professional (on his behalf) is to plaster a very identifiable scenario all over Mumsnet?

I would hit the fucking roof if my husband made this post.

Even if I had felt supported by him in shouting at my nightmare client, I wouldn’t want this on line.

You’re a liability! Message MN and get this pulled.

catscatscatseverywhere · 20/05/2022 14:51

Ouch. YABU. My husband would rip my head off for interfering his business. Next time just leave it to him. This time, you can't turn back time. Just apologise and never do it again. You'll be fine.

ChazzaGirl · 20/05/2022 14:51

I’m on your side, OP. This woman turned up at your home and dragged you into it - your dh should be mightily pissed off about that, not pissed off with you for giving her the mouthful she deserved.

Testina · 20/05/2022 14:53

I don’t even blame you for losing your shit at her. It was your home, and you’re not the professional. I might be displeased with you, but I’d understand why.

But this post? You have absolutely no judgement and I think it’s far worse that you’ve done this.

hellrabbitishere · 20/05/2022 14:54

Maëlys · 20/05/2022 14:11

you need to get yourself some tactics in place to draw on when you’re stressed, because if you behaved like this around children… bloody frightening

@Intrigueddotcom You’re seriously implying that this means OP is a danger to children? Jesus Christ.

some of the responses amuse me , its clear mumsnet has a large majority of naice middle class women who never shout or lose their temper because its just not what well brought up young ladies do 😂

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 14:54

octagonspoon · 20/05/2022 14:51

Well he’ll only get that reputation amongst rank misogynists. For they are the only people who use terms like ‘screeching harpy’.

Nonsense, octagon

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coffeecupsandfairylights · 20/05/2022 14:56

ChazzaGirl · 20/05/2022 14:51

I’m on your side, OP. This woman turned up at your home and dragged you into it - your dh should be mightily pissed off about that, not pissed off with you for giving her the mouthful she deserved.

He can be angry with both of them - they both behaved inappropriately.

I run a business - I wouldn't be impressed with a client turning up at my home to complaint, but I would be even less impressed if DH took it upon himself to be rude back!