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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Dygger · 20/05/2022 16:58

Cervinia · 20/05/2022 16:56

*professional. I'm cringing for you.

Let's not overlook minutia.

OP posts:
SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 17:00

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 16:54

@SlightlyGeordieJohn - she is right for being annoyed at him for being annoyed at her!

I agree with @TheThreadisMildlyAmusing and the goolie stake being the only one he’ll be getting!

My wife would be livid if I shouted at a client of hers, even if the client had been so out of order as to call by the house, and had I done something so stupid I’d definitely want to apologize to her.

Those trying to impute some sort of sexist reasoning behind suggesting she calms down and does something nice seem to have issues. The idea that a woman should never apologise even when they’ve done as the OP has are really coming from a strange place.

I suspect there’s a trades / professions split going on a bit here. Behaviour like hers would never, ever be accepted with the clients if someone in law, banking or medicine. Are those defending her coming at it from the same sort of place?

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 17:00

@Baconandmaplesyrup - haven’t you picked up that she’s had to listen to the minutiae for the past year?

Dygger · 20/05/2022 17:00

Butchyrestingface · 20/05/2022 16:40

She hyphenated 'off-loaded' and 'hard-to-get-hold-of'.

Respect.

😂 Ta.

OP posts:
Dygger · 20/05/2022 17:01

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 17:00

My wife would be livid if I shouted at a client of hers, even if the client had been so out of order as to call by the house, and had I done something so stupid I’d definitely want to apologize to her.

Those trying to impute some sort of sexist reasoning behind suggesting she calms down and does something nice seem to have issues. The idea that a woman should never apologise even when they’ve done as the OP has are really coming from a strange place.

I suspect there’s a trades / professions split going on a bit here. Behaviour like hers would never, ever be accepted with the clients if someone in law, banking or medicine. Are those defending her coming at it from the same sort of place?

What? You allow your wife to work outside the house? Whatever next?

OP posts:
Baconandmaplesyrup · 20/05/2022 17:03

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 17:00

@Baconandmaplesyrup - haven’t you picked up that she’s had to listen to the minutiae for the past year?

So? I listen to my husband shit. He listens to mine, doesn’t mean he gets to shout at my boss.

Confused
SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 17:09

Dygger · 20/05/2022 17:01

What? You allow your wife to work outside the house? Whatever next?

Allow? This sort of idiocy is where your prejudice brings you. We both met while working as bankers overseas, and her career has continued to be very successful since. Why would anyone assume that a wife’s career is decided by her husband?

You admitted above that your relationship had problems; please don’t assume that mine has the same dysfunctions as yours.

hangrylady · 20/05/2022 17:09

I'm on your side OP. The fucking cheek of her knocking on your door. She's a CF and you were right to tell her that when she turned up at your home making demands, I'd have been furious too.

MagnoliaTaint · 20/05/2022 17:12

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 20/05/2022 13:39

I disagree. If OP had gone round their house or even just bumped into her in the street, but this woman chose to bring her grievances to the DH's home, and persisted in badgering a family member who had absolutely nothing to do with the build. Her behaviour was completely inappropriate and it sounds like she would benefit massively from being told to fuck off once in a while.

Yep. You don't hound someone to their home and harass their family. OP, YANBU.

They're not your clients.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 20/05/2022 17:14

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 17:09

Allow? This sort of idiocy is where your prejudice brings you. We both met while working as bankers overseas, and her career has continued to be very successful since. Why would anyone assume that a wife’s career is decided by her husband?

You admitted above that your relationship had problems; please don’t assume that mine has the same dysfunctions as yours.

Woooosh

OPs answer went right over your head didn't it 😑

Gennz18 · 20/05/2022 17:14

You are not at all unreasonable @Dygger and I am 😲 that anyone thinks you are.

if you turned up to her house to yell at her … that would be unreasonable 😂

For people saying “this wouldn’t be accepted as n another profession” - I am a lawyer and I instruct other lawyers (so am also a client). If I turned up at external counsel’s house and moaned to their wives about their bills I would fully expect to have strips torn off me.

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 17:17

@Baconandmaplesyrup - probably because your boss isn’t showing up on your doorstep?

🤔

Dygger · 20/05/2022 17:24

Baconandmaplesyrup · 20/05/2022 17:03

So? I listen to my husband shit. He listens to mine, doesn’t mean he gets to shout at my boss.

Confused

Where did I mention my partner's boss? He doesn't have one. He is the boss. Perhaps we can have a discussion about how much someone in a relationship can reasonably expect to offload on their other half after the weekend.

Anyway, thanks to those who offered genuine responses and boo-hiss to the wind-up merchants. And a cheery wave to those putting on their pinnies and lippie and getting the tea ready for hubby when he gets home. Soon 1963 will be here and Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique and you can leave the bastard and go off and do something more interesting.

Friday evening beckons and I'm off for a drink with himself, who seems to have got over his initial why-on-earth-did-you-do-that response and is now ready to laugh at it. Perhaps it was a relief that at least one of us was able to say what we thought to her.

One final suggestion to everyone. When your pipes burst, or your boiler breaks down or your lights won't work, please be appreciative of the people you call on to sort the problem out. We're all so dependent on decent tradespeople, and so many people are so dismissive of them. Be nice to them.

OP posts:
Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 17:26

LoveLarry · 20/05/2022 16:34

What were the clues in the OP that you were articulate and RP?

Sometimes it’s the really short and sweet ones that make me 😂

TheThreadisMildlyAmusing · 20/05/2022 17:27

"Woooosh
OPs answer went right over your head didn't it 😑"

I know, hilarious isn't it.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 17:30

25 plus experience
30 plus employees
highly regarded

and yet incapable of managing a difficult client
and pushed into accepting a job he didn’t want to by a friend with home he has now fallen out with.

Hmmmm

Hadjab · 20/05/2022 17:34

Dygger · 20/05/2022 17:24

Where did I mention my partner's boss? He doesn't have one. He is the boss. Perhaps we can have a discussion about how much someone in a relationship can reasonably expect to offload on their other half after the weekend.

Anyway, thanks to those who offered genuine responses and boo-hiss to the wind-up merchants. And a cheery wave to those putting on their pinnies and lippie and getting the tea ready for hubby when he gets home. Soon 1963 will be here and Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique and you can leave the bastard and go off and do something more interesting.

Friday evening beckons and I'm off for a drink with himself, who seems to have got over his initial why-on-earth-did-you-do-that response and is now ready to laugh at it. Perhaps it was a relief that at least one of us was able to say what we thought to her.

One final suggestion to everyone. When your pipes burst, or your boiler breaks down or your lights won't work, please be appreciative of the people you call on to sort the problem out. We're all so dependent on decent tradespeople, and so many people are so dismissive of them. Be nice to them.

Completely off topic, but my builder buys me a bacon roll every Friday - he's great!

whumpthereitis · 20/05/2022 17:36

I suspect there’s a trades / professions split going on a bit here. Behaviour like hers would never, ever be accepted with the clients if someone in law, banking or medicine

LOL. As someone who briefly worked in one of those professions, and as the child of parents in two, I can say with confidence that while said behaviour isn’t ‘reasonable’, it certain occurs.

PeskyRooks · 20/05/2022 17:36

Pretty sure this will make it to the Mail next week!

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 17:37

OP - I’m with you. Tradespeople are often treated with so much contempt. Of course there are bad eggs but just as in any other profession.

Enjoy your drink tonight!

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 17:38

Where did I mention my partner's boss? He doesn't have one. He is the boss
Not where a paying customer is concerned, don't be daft.

Maverickess · 20/05/2022 17:39

Well, the woman got more than she bargained for didn't she coming to your home and behaving that way! Probably expected to be bowed and scraped to, rather than told she's being unreasonable. Some people seem to feel that by virtue of being a customer or client, they can behave how they like and if they get something wrong, are perfectly entitled to blame the person they're paying and have them resolve the situation and take the blame, and get an apology on top - people like that need telling, not caving to because they then feel they're in the right and will continue and get worse.

She brought it to you OP, she made the crossover from professional to personal and therefore deserved everything she got imo. But these types of people do that, they make stuff personal, they like to tell you how hard it is for them while dismissing the effects of their own behaviour on others because the others don't matter. Paying money for something, no matter how much does not entitle you to treat people however you want and then get an apology for it!

I understand though why your husband feels the way he does, because he's going to have to deal with the fall out from this and it sounds like they've already tested him beyond his limits with their behaviour and he's now got dealing with their reaction to the situation hanging over him and I guess that's going to stress him out further, so for that reason alone I wouldn't go in all guns blazing at him because that's going to just add more stress for both of you.
I understand why you're angry too though, but in your shoes I'd be trying to see it as the client has caused this, not you or DH and rather than the two of you arguing over it, trying to agree to a united front - even if that means that you follow his lead on the way he wants to handle it because ultimately it's his business and him that's going to have to deal with them again, and if he chooses the easiest way to do that then I think you should respect that - even if you don't agree with how he does it.
You don't have to be happy about it or agree with what he does, but I do think you should support however he deals with it, sometimes for your own sanity, the best thing to do is whatever it takes to distance yourself from people like this, even though as I said at the start, it tends to make these people more entitled and feel like they're right to behave like that.
Good luck though to both of you dealing with this and hold on to your victory of telling an entitled arse exactly what you think of them and their behaviour - the opportunity doesn't come along that often!

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 17:40

And why is this Big Bad Boss allowing friends to railroad him into taking on clients he'd rather not?

TheHateIsNotGood · 20/05/2022 17:41

Read the OP and immediately thought YANBU and still do.

Baconandmaplesyrup · 20/05/2022 17:43

Dygger · 20/05/2022 17:24

Where did I mention my partner's boss? He doesn't have one. He is the boss. Perhaps we can have a discussion about how much someone in a relationship can reasonably expect to offload on their other half after the weekend.

Anyway, thanks to those who offered genuine responses and boo-hiss to the wind-up merchants. And a cheery wave to those putting on their pinnies and lippie and getting the tea ready for hubby when he gets home. Soon 1963 will be here and Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique and you can leave the bastard and go off and do something more interesting.

Friday evening beckons and I'm off for a drink with himself, who seems to have got over his initial why-on-earth-did-you-do-that response and is now ready to laugh at it. Perhaps it was a relief that at least one of us was able to say what we thought to her.

One final suggestion to everyone. When your pipes burst, or your boiler breaks down or your lights won't work, please be appreciative of the people you call on to sort the problem out. We're all so dependent on decent tradespeople, and so many people are so dismissive of them. Be nice to them.

Lol, yes, becayse if you ain’t shouting at your husbands clients you must be a controlled house wife. There is no such thing as a professional woman who knows how to conduct ourselves. 😂